Talk:San Jose, California
|The current consensus is to use "San Jose", without the diacritical mark on the "e", in the article title. Under Wikipedia's guidelines for article titles, common names and spellings are preferred over the official ones. For more information, see the archived discussions at Talk:San Jose, California/Archive 1#Official spelling (San Jose vs. San José).|
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- 1 This article reads like a commercial information packet
- 2 Article for San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA MSA?
- 3 Include International Technological University in Colleges & University
- 4 Police Brutality Photo
- 5 San José or San Jose??
- 6 Portal peer review
- 7 Levi's Stadium / 49'ers Location
- 8 OT: Need a copy of a 1981 San Jose Mercury article, for WP purposes
This article reads like a commercial information packet
The information needs to read more objectively. For instance this was part of the article until I changed it
"San Jose has 300+ days of sunshine"
It should instead list the average and maybe the standard deviation.
Article for San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA MSA?
Okay, so I was looking through the most populous metropolitan areas in the U.S., and I noticed that San Jose's simply redirected to this very article. However, all metropolitan areas that are in the top 50 in population, except for San Jose's, each have their own unique article, and do not simply redirect to the main city of that area. So my suggestion is, instead of redirecting the San Jose metropolitan area to this article, should a new article altogether be created for it?
San Jose's metropolitan is the 31st most populous in the United States (2011), and includes the counties of Santa Clara and San Benito. All metropolitan areas in the top 50, except for San Jose's, have their own unique article. That is why I am making this suggestion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by I Wiki Edit (talk • contribs) 04:39, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
- The San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area links to Santa Clara County, California which is a much more appropriate location, considering there is little actual separation, other than political borders, from the San Jose metropolitan area which is effectively "The Bay Area." Trackinfo (talk) 18:31, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
In view of the city of Stockton recently filing for bankruptcy, I found it interesting that the top San Jose employers are taxpayer funded. Clearly the city has become government "top heavy". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 16:50, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Include International Technological University in Colleges & University
Should International Technological University be added to this Colleges & University section on this wikipedia page? It's a private, non-profit university in Downtown San Jose. Ituhubert (talk) 22:26, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Police Brutality Photo
Someone has uploaded a photo of a what they claim is police brutality at a march through San Jose in 1969. There is no attribution for the photo, no evidence that it was taken in San Jose, no evidence that it is indeed police brutality, and the photo is strangely placed next to paragraphs talking about San Jose in the 1850s. For the lack of attribution, fact-free editorializing, and misplace meant, I am removing the photo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 04:35, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
San José or San Jose??
I think that the official name is San José, because it appears in the Seal
and in the official website:
- Looks like it should be "San Jose" without the accent mark. The standard at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) (and WP:COMMONNAME in general) is that we use the name that is most commonly used in English. (This is not necessarily the "most English" name: for example, "jalapeño" and "piñata" are English Wikipedia article titles.) It seems to me that most people use "San Jose" without the accent mark:
- The San Jose Mercury News doesn't use the accent. The local news web page of El Observador, a bilingual newspaper, appears to use or omit the accent mark randomly in English.
- I haven't found any evidence of English-language TV stations using an accent on the name. TV stations with San Jose in their branding have not used the accent: see File:KNTV Logo.png, File:KSTS 1984.jpg, File:KTEH.jpg, all with a San Jose city of license. It's more difficult to tell recently, because owners don't care about their cities of license anymore, so they minimize any city name that has a more dominant city near it (e.g. "San Francisco" or "San Francisco / Oakland").
- The Santa Clara County government website seems to consistently use "San Jose" without the accent. See, for example, "About the County".
- Also, the presence on the city seal and web page text is questionable: Section San Jose, California#History mentions (unsourced) a 1979 city ordinance to direct the use of the accent mark in text and the seal, but the overriding law is Article I of the San Jose city charter] of 1965, which says "shall continue ... under its present name of “City of San Jose.”". So the city's website may be more the result of a single 1979 city council vote rather than natural common usage by normal people. --Closeapple (talk) 02:44, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
- On April 3, 1979, the San José City Council adopted San José, with the diacritical mark on the "e", as the spelling of the city name on the city seal, official stationery, office titles and department names. Also, by city council convention, this spelling of San José is used when the name is stated in BOTH upper- and lower-case letters, but not when the name is stated ONLY in upper-case letters. The accent reflects the Spanish version of the name, and the dropping of accents in all-capital writing was TYPICAL in Spanish. The name is still more commonly spelled without the diacritical mark as San Jose, but I think that the official and correct name is San José. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 09:17, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
- Whatever the name should be, it can not be moved by copy and paste. You should use the "Move" link per Wikipedia:Moving a page. Sjö (talk) 20:20, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
- I also agree that the article title should include the diacretic. Who are we to invalidate the decision of the City Council? HOWEVER, even if there is no consensus to do so we should amend the official_name field of the city infobox to City of San José in order to reflect the actual official name of the city. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 20:00, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
- Neutral - There is already a redirect at San José, California, so the only way the page can be moved is with a formal Move Request. Since this is the English Wikipedia and likely that most Readers do not have an "é" key, it's probably fine as is, but IMO the accent should be noted/used where ever possible in the article. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 20:58, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
- Change to San José - San Jose, California would redirect to the page with the accented é. If it's the official name of the city, the Wikipedia article should reflect that. I also agree with those above, that the name with the accent should be used throughout the article in reference to the city.--18.104.22.168 (talk) 03:25, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Under Wikipedia's guidelines for article titles, common names and spellings are preferred over the official ones. As Closeapple has stated, most third party reliable sources do not use the accent. As for the city council's policy (which is still irrelevant under Wikipedia's article naming guidelines), the only Google results I get are Wikipedia mirror sites. Thus there is no verifiable proof that this is even an official name, or a non-official rule of thumb by the council, or even merely the webmasters on www.sanjoseca.gov acting on their own. As of now, the only official evidence I can verify is the city charter, and it does not use the accent. How can we use the accent whenever possible in the article when there is no evidence that it is actually official? A stylized form of the subject's title on its seal or logo does not automatically make it official if it is used differently in most other cases. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:11, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- I agree that the unaccented e should be used for the great majority of this article. The accent should be used if it is quoted, or if the the text is referring to the early Spanish settlement or the city council decision. WP:COMMONNAME is only about article titles; the body of the article has no such guideline. The MOS:HAWAII guideline might provide guidance here as it describes the use of special characters; there ought to be a similar guideline for California. Binksternet (talk) 04:39, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- Except that the creation of a separate MOS:HAWAII guideline was warranted because many Hawaii-related articles were under such discussion. San Jose appears to be the only California-related subject with this dispute. If there is consensus to apply some of the MOS:HAWAII guidelines here, that is fine, but there are not enough subjects to warrant creating a separate California-related MOS page at this time. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:47, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Portal peer review
I have submitted Portal:San Francisco Bay Area to peer review. i would welcome any comments. i believe it is fully ready for featured portal status, but i have been just about the only editor there for a while.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 08:48, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Levi's Stadium / 49'ers Location
Both are based in Santa Clara and mentioned several times on that Wikipedia page. I modified the Sports section on San Jose's page to clarify the actual location. However, should the references to Levi's Stadium / 49'ers be removed entirely from the San Jose page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 14:04, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Done Removed since its NOT actually in San Jose. I did add a mention of the 2005-2007 Grand Prix. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 16:16, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
OT: Need a copy of a 1981 San Jose Mercury article, for WP purposes
Hi all, if anyone lives in the SJ or bay area and can get me a copy of a 1981 SJM article (my understanding is they are on microfiche/film in one of the buildings/basements of the SJ library; they may possibly also be in other CA libraries), could they please help out with my request here on the WP:RX page? Thanks ever so much. No way I can get access to it where I live. Softlavender (talk) 04:04, 10 November 2014 (UTC)