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नामविश्व भाषांतरण

Dear Friends,

undersigned wants to put following request at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/ to programmers of MediaWiki software to make apropriate changes in Sanskrit Language Wikipedia.Undersigned requests openions or support from those who know Sanskrit Language.Please do reply at your earliest or post your comment directly at संस्कृत विकिपीडिया:ग्रामस्य चौपालम्

Mahitgar १५:०३, १ पौषमाघे २००९ (UTC)

Dear Wikimedia Programmers, The first paragraph is self-contradictory how can Sanskrit be both Historical language and an official language of a state. Only one of the facts can be correct

Since undersigned wants to create new articles in Sanskrit Language Wikipedia specialy in "Wikipedia" and "Help" Namespace;Correction in Namespace Names will help me and Sanskrit Language Wikipedia a Long way. We kindly request following localisation of Sanskrit Language Wikipedia at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/

• Namespace Current English Name 'Wikipedia' change the same to Sanskrit विकिपीडिया
  • Namespace Current semi-English Name 'Wikipediaसंभाषणं' change the same to Sanskrit विकिपीडिया संभाषणं

• Namespace Current English Name 'MediaWiki' change the same to Sanskrit मिडियाविकि
  • Namespace Current English Name 'MediaWiki talk' change the same to Sanskrit मिडियाविकि संभाषणं

• Namespace Current English Name 'Template' change the same to Sanskrit बिंबधर
  • Namespace Current English Name 'Template talk' change the same to Sanskrit बिंबधर संभाषणं

• Namespace Current Sanskrit Name 'उपकार:'(stands for 'Help') change the same to Sanskrit साहाय्य
  • Namespace Current Sanskrit Name 'उपकारसंभाषणं' (stands for 'Help talk') change the same to Sanskrit साहाय्य संभाषणं

Notes:

1)बिंबधर is a newly created applied term for Template.बिंब means an image that can transclude,and since a wikipedia template holds and helps transclude an image term created in sanskrit is बिंबधर

2)Help Namespace 'उपकार:' is being requested to be changed since 'उपकार:' means 'favour' where as right word for 'Help' in Sanskrit is available and is साहाय्य so this namespace change is being requested.

Please do reply at your earliest or post your comment directly at संस्कृत विकिपीडिया:ग्रामस्य चौपालम्

Mahitgar १५:०३, १ पौषमाघे २००९ (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahitgar (talk • contribs)

Sanskrit विकिपीडिया:लोगो,लेखन चर्चा

A Request from sanskrit language wikipedia was made at [bugzill bug no.16857] bugzill has requested that,The image should be no bigger than 135 x 155 pixels, please fix it and reopen this bug. undersigned does not have requisite skills needed for the same please some one do help by providing needful change to bugzill

Thanks and regards

Mahitgar ०७:५८, ८ फेब्रुवारी २००९ (UTC) (Copyright image from Marathi Language wikipedia is being taken for using as matches with gramatically correct Sanskrit language wording and writing system.Image was posted by user user:कौस्तुभ on Marathi Language Wikipedia & commons as authorised logo for Marathi Language Wikipedia and the same is proposed tobe used on Sanskrit Language Wikipedia )

sa:चित्रं:Wiki.png

Image is updated

• at Sanskrit Wikipedia sa:चित्रं:Wiki.png
• at commons:File:Wikipedia-logo-sa.png
• at meta:Wikipedia_in_other_languages

समर्थन करोति Mahitgar ०९:२०, १ पौषमाघे २००९ (UTC)

Though I am not a great expert on Sanskrit, I do agree that second change to use "Sahay" instead of "upkar" makes sense. This is from my understanding of other indian languages , especially Hindi.

mr:चित्र:wiki1.png mr:चित्र:wiki3.png mr:चित्र:myWiki4.png - suggessions received so far कोल्हापुरी १३:२९, ९ फेब्रुवारी २००९ (UTC)

1500?

The McDonell 1900 (2004 is a reprint) seems to be a SLIGHTLY outdated source for the difficult question of dating. HJJHolm (talk) 16:16, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Masica

The often cited Masica is either mistakenly cited or no professional linguist. E.g. the Kentum-Satem division of the IE languages is by far outdated. Cf. e.g. M. Meier-Brügger L339. Further, Greek is NOT a Satem language. HJJHolm (talk) 14:43, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

liquids

Why is ऌ transcribed as retroflex but described as dental? Why is र transcribed as alveolar and described as retroflex? Why are ऋ and ऌ transcribed as CV but described as syllabic C? Is the latter a difference between Classical and Modern Sanskrit? — kwami (talk) 03:09, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

• I second your first question.

• This resource transcribes र as both an alveolar flap approximate (aka. liqid) [ɹ], and a retroflex flap [ɽ]. The resource is an approximation of the original pronunciation. (It has some other differences, but they are are different transcriptions for similar sounds.)

Currently, in the chart, it is transcribed, and included as a dental, however, in the next chart, further down (the Non-Plosive, Sonorants chart), it is retroflex. Either this duality should be mentioned, or a resource should be found which sets a standard. For the record, it is transcribed as a dental trill, for which I have seen no resource.

• And agree about the issue of the third question aswell.

Does anyone know where the transcriptions currently in the charts came from? There seem to be no citations?

I will temporarily change it to ɽ. — kwami (talk) 03:42, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Supaiku (talk) 23:27, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Phonology: Consonants

I fixed the IAST script (it was incorrect) and added devangary for the consonant tables. Supaiku (talk) 01:57, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Position of Sanskrit in Indo-European studies

The last sentence of the 1st paragraph, which is used to note the position of Sanskrit in Indo-European studies, is changed to:

"Sanskrit is compared closely with the Old Irarian languages, most notably, Avestan and Old Persian, and occupies a central position along with other early attested Indo-European languages like Hittite, Ancient Greek, and Latin in Indo-European studies."

This provides a more accurate and clear picture of the position and use of Sanskrit in Indo-European Studies. Sanskrit is not used directly with the other attested languages in Indo-European Studies but in the context of Indo-Iranian, and Indo-Aryan religion and mythology too is used within the context of the Indo-Iranian religion and mythology. Though Avestan and Old Persian are by far the only well-understood Old Iranian languages, they are not the only ones, hence the need for the mention of "most notably." Median survives as a substrate in Old Persian inscriptions and two inscriptions are tentatively interpreted as Scythian dialects which would be contemporaneous with the "Old" period of Iranian linguistic history.

Hittite deserves mention because it is the earliest attested Indo-Europen (or Indo-Hittite) language, has a rather modest corpus, and though unrelated to its age, its vast dissimilarities to and thereby its unique position among the Indo-European languages and in Indo-European studies. Hittite and the Anatolian branch to which it belongs are quite truly the current frontier in Indo-European Studies, around which many questions lie unanswered and the subjects of debate.

It is a generally accepted fact that Sanskrit is closely related to the Old Iranian languages and used accordingly in Indo-European Studies, as the earliest attested members of the Indo-Iranian branch of Indo-European. However, should any question arise as to the statement of close comparison within the Wikipedia community, it is mentioned at a web page of the Oxford Ancient and Near East Studies: http://www.orinst.ox.ac.uk/eanes/old_iranian_language.html:

"[...] the Iranian language family. They are inflected languages, which are closely comparable to Vedic Sanskrit, and, more remotely, to other ancient Indo-European languages such as Greek, Latin or Hittite."

Logos112 (talk) 04:51, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I think your change misses the point of the original sentence entirely. "In western classical linguistics, Sanskrit occupies a pre-eminent position along with Greek and Latin in Indo-European studies," the original sentence, is a statement about IE studies as a scholarly tradition not about the classification of Sanskrit (about which you are of course entirely correct). It is a fact (which probably needs citation, however) that most linguistics students beginning studies of PIE will learn Sanskrit (in addition to Latin, Greek, and a few others) before any other Indo-Iranian languages. Usually Sanskrit is studied before languages from families like Celtic, Anatolian, or Baltic, as well. Ben (talk) 05:31, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, its classification is already covered. Its founding position in IE studies is notable. — kwami (talk) 06:42, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

The change to the sentence, excuse the repetition, was to provide a more accurate and clear picture of the position and use of Sanskrit in Indo-European Studies - not actually to reflect its classification. That latter purpose is fulfilled by the first sentence. But the change is meant to reflect the use of Sanskrit in IE studies more accurately, which at this stage in IE studies, is not done directly with any other IE branch but through Indo-Iranian, the reconstruction of Proto-Indo-Iranian being much more established than it is of Proto-Indo-European. Fortunately, this can be done without adding any clumsiness or unnecessary information to the first paragraph. So there is a very fortunate win-win situation here where we can easily reflect the use and position of Sanskrit currently within IE studies more accurately, at least since the rapid advancements in the understanding of Proto-Indo-Iranian in the post-war period of IE studies, when the ice was first broken, so to speak, in the detailed study of the Avestan language. The point of the matter is that currently within IE studies, Sanskrit is not studied as an as an independent language but one significantly contributing to the understanding of a proto-language that in turn provide invaluable contribution to the understanding of the Proto-Indo-European language. Logos112 (talk) 07:48, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

You're still missing the point. Sanskrit, Latin, and Greek were the three founding languages of IE studies. Also, the clause "Sanskrit is compared closely with Old Iranian languages" doesn't make any sense. — kwami (talk) 08:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC)