Talk:Saradha Group financial scandal
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Saradha Group financial scandal was nominated as a good article in the Social sciences and society category but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Reviewed version: October 15, 2013
Brainstorming for content
Kindly brainstorm any news about the scandal, so that it can be appropriately used in the article:
- Late night meetings with officials
- Use of ambulances, Kolkata police bikes for attending meetings, transferring cash
- Use of fruit baskets in North Bengal to transfer cash
- Use of rigged software
- Use of servers situated in Boston, which were hired for a monthly fee of 44,000 USD.
- Taking agents to luxurious locations and resorts for meeting.
- Strategical use of photos of politicians to build faith in rural areas
- More details about protests, including protests in similar companies
- Similar protests/reactions in other states like Odisha, Jharkhand. Amartyabag TALK2ME 13:38, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- Good starting point, but because of the 'political minefield' each point has to be referenced with neutral sources. It would be better to have a few images as well and may be a logo of saradha group and an infobox.LegalEagle (talk) 13:54, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- Surajit kar purakayastha now kolkata CP attended a function of saradha. He attended it before he was CP. CPIM members Kanti Biswas who was education minister and the ex-Bishnupur CPIM MLA Ananda Biswas (not sure of title) attended a function of them too. This is neutral in sense that the accused are not part of TMC. Solomon7968 (talk) 17:12, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
It seems that a stub on same scam was created Saradha chit fund scam, an editor has requested for merge. I think it is quite apt to merge that article into Saradha Group financial scandal. In case there is no opposition, I would merge it in a couple of days.LegalEagle (talk) 10:01, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- This review is transcluded from Talk:Saradha Group financial scandal/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
I'll be glad to take this review--sorry you've had to wait so long for one! Initial comments to follow in the next 1-5 days. Thanks in advance for all your work on it. -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:02, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm making some tweaks as I go; feel free to revert any with which you disagree. This looks like it's off to a good start--solid prose, good citations to reliable sources, and what seems to be fairly complete coverage of the topic. I do have some concerns about clarity and a few unsourced/possibly inaccurate statements, noted individually below. Let me know what you think. When you've had a chance to address these I'll continue with the rest. Thanks again for your efforts on this. -- Khazar2 (talk) 17:22, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
|arbitrary collapse to avoid overlong page--issues resolved|
✔ provided a relevant citation about intent of government from a report by Reserve bank of India, amended the line accordingly.
✔ dropped 'fundamental'
✔ added more citations
✔ amended appropriately
✔ added one source (at some levels all ponzi schemes look similar)
- This was a bit of OR so dropped 'unprecedented', but buying spree is cited by a Hoot article
✔ it was already there citation number 44
✔ added one more citation
✔ did the necessary editing
- "However, apart from the SEBI investigation, no executive actions were taken at this time." -- this should probably be sourced.
- "RBI governor" -- write out the acronym on first use ("Reserve Bank of India" I assume?)
- "the tide had irrevocably turned." -- rewrite without idiom per WP:IDIOM
- "After posting this letter on 10 April, Sen fled." -- This should have an inline citation. (since this article involves recent criminal activity, it needs more thorough citation than most for WP:BLP reasons.)
- "On 17 April, approximately 600 collection agents claiming to be associated with Saradha Group assembled at the headquarters of TMC and demanded government intervention." -- needs citation
- "The mood of despondency quickly spread across Bengal." -- Is this part sourced? The following source seems to focus on Dakshin Barasat rather than all of Bengal.
- Mamata Banerjee should be identified by her position the first time her name is mentioned
Overall this article does a very good job explaining this financial disaster--thanks for all your work on it! I don't believe it's ready for GA at this time, though, for the simple reason that it's an ongoing current event that hasn't fully played out yet. Already the article has fallen behind events such as the Sen commission repaying investors, more arrests, and M Bannerjee's attempts at relief. I would suggest that this be renominated once the commissions, official action, and major related trials (particularly Sudipto Sen's) are complete; until then, I'm not sure the article meets the stability criterion.
In the meantime, I see three major areas to work on: the lead, copyediting, and sourcing. The lead seems incomplete--for example, it doesn't mention Sen or Bannerjee, both major players in this. It could be expanded to better summarize the events. The article also needs minor copyediting, some of which I've already done. If you'd like any help with this, the Guild of Copyeditors takes requests and is usually terrific. Lastly, I'd suggest going over the article closely to make sure that all information is sourced with inline citations. Since this is about recent crimes and involves living people, it's important that it be rigorously cited.
I hope this helps, and sorry that for reasons beyond your control, I can't give it a pass at this time. If you work on the above, however, it should be ready for renomination when events are closer to resolution. Thanks again for your work on this, and just let me know if you have any questions, Khazar2 (talk) 15:08, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review, I agree that the things need to play out completely, I would update the points raised by you and I guess things should stabilise by first quarter of next year, so hopefully I would try for GA again then. Thanks. LegalEagle (talk) 17:58, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
On 4 May 2013, based on complaints filed by depositors under Sikkim Protection of Interests of Depositors Act, Sikkim Police conducted raids on the Gangtok office of Kolkata-headquartered Rose Valley Group, which was also running unregistered collective investment schemes similar to Saradha group.
Political reactions and protests
These two subsecs were commented out:
As per news media at least eighteen agents/depositors and six executives/directors of various money pooling companies have committed suicide in the aftermath of the scandal.
Suicides by victims of the scam
Since the breaking out of the news of the financial scam, the following agents and depositors have committed suicide:
- (Redacted) (36, depositor, Balrampur, Purulia), by hanging himself from the ceiling of his house, on April,26
- (Redacted) (55, agent, Delsinha village near Phalta, South 24 Parganas), by consuming pesticides, on 25 April
- (Redacted) (50, depositor, Baruipur, South 24 Parganas), by setting herself on fire, on 20 April
- (Redacted) (33, agent, Mayabazar, Durgapur, Burdwan), by hanging himself from the ceiling of his house, on 19 April -->