Talk:Sarukhan, Bey of Magnesia

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Sarukhan + "Bey of Magnesia" -Llc (all languages) - 0

"Sarukhan Beg" -Llc 6
"Sarukhan Bey" -Llc 8
"Saruhan Bey" -Llc 30, but only 9 of 30 were written in English, furthermore some of them are same text.
"Saruhan Beg" -Llc 7 (-3)
"Bey of Magnesia" -Llc 6, all of them were written in 1800s.
"Sarukhan bin Alpagi" -Llc 0

Takabeg (talk) 03:39, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 9 March 2024[edit]

It has been proposed in this section that Sarukhan, Bey of Magnesia be renamed and moved to Saruhan.

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Sarukhan, Bey of Magnesia → Saruhan – Already redirects here. Else, it can be Saruhan Bey or something similar, because this is the only person with the name on Wikipedia if I'm not mistaken. Magnesia is only a settlement, and he and his descendants ruled a region, more than just one town. So, "Magnesia" should definitely be removed in some way. Aintabli (talk) 01:55, 9 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. asilvering (talk) 05:01, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Per convention, any title that is lesser than that of a king is placed following the monarch's name, whether disambiguation is needed or not. For example: Henri, Grand Duke of Luxembourg. He is not a king, so his title is placed following his name. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:13, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Therealscorp1an, That is the convention for European monarchs. He was not a European monarch. See WP:NCROY, which explicitly states that it does not cover Islamic rulers. Apart from that, my point is that Magnesia is not what he exactly ruled over. "Bey" is neither a clearly-defined royal title nor is it comparable to the European understanding of such titles, especially "duke"s. Aintabli (talk) 23:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, please see the section above, because "Bey of Magnesia" is not a WP:COMMONNAME. It existed in very old publications and was not used for Saruhan, the ruler. Aintabli (talk) 23:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, the WP:COMMONNAME argument seems stronger to me. BD2412 T 17:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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