Talk:Scandrett Regional Park

park vs family

Hi TheRedPenOfDoom. Homestead can refer to a single building or a collection of buildings. On the Scandrett Regional Park, the "Scandrett homestead" refers to the single farm house on the park.

Also TheRedPenOfDoom, you've deleted any introduction to the Scandrett family in this article. This is important information, common to the three references I am able to open. The history of the farm, buildings and family is one of the major reasons the park was established and is what helps make the park unique, as you can read in the referenced material. Other Wikipedia articles about historically significant New Zealand places include historical biographies and photographs. Eg the well-rated Linwood House (Diannaa, thanks for agreeing this is a nice article here: (talk). The history of Scandrett Regional Park is of significant local interest. Eg [Article A][Article B][Article C]. Qwyrxian thanks for agreeing to the merits of the above at 11:29, 11 September 2013 (UTC) here: talk E James Bowman (talk)

this is the article about the Park, it is not a family memorial website. We cover the article based upon what the reliably published third party sources say about the subject of the article - the park. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 05:32, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

And if you look at Linwwod House, you'll see that the sources there that talk about the history of the location are, indeed, independent of the historical site. That's why there's a difference between what is there and what should be here. It looks like there may be info that can usefully pulled out of the three localmatters sources you put here, though we have to take care about how we handle those, as they're a little bit promotional. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:16, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

i have incorporated content from each of the articles in a manner which I think is pretty non-promotional. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:56, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom and Qwyrxian. Here: [[1]] is a PDF from the National Historic Heritage Workshop 2004 run by Department of Conservation (New Zealand), New Zealand Historic Places Trust and Institution of Professional Engineers New Zealand. It contains links to two PDFs of the presentation [[2]] and paper [[3]] presented by Dave Pearson [[4]], Conservation Architect, Auckland, describing the five year project to restore the historic buildings located on Scandretts Farm (renamed Scandrett Regional Park the following month). It contains a History of the farm, and says "It is the personal history associated with Scandretts farm that sets it apart from other places. Without these associations, the buildings could be in danger of becoming just another group of old farm buildings. The story of the people that lived there brings a place such as Scandretts to life". It also confirms that "Lisadian" was the name of the farm, not the homestead. E James Bowman (talk)

Mishae (talk) says [[5]] "If you want to, you can create 3 articles (each one of which will be dedicated to a member group). For that though, you still need to check if its verifiable or not. Being founders do make them notable, but not all members. Keep in mind that Wikipedia isn't a memorial, and do talk with user @The Bushranger: for more info regarding the above mentioned". I would be happy to create three member group articles for George & Helena, Thomas & Lucy and Raymond & Frances if I can find sufficient suitable source information. I think there is sufficient information in the Dave Pearson report above to create an article for George & Helena, and I have copyright free images of them I can upload to support the article. Are these considered suitable sources: [[6]], [[7]] and [[8]]? I'm certain these would be: [[9]], [[10]], [[11]], [[12]] and [13]. E James Bowman (talk)

The first three are user created, so they are not reliable. Of the papers, not all of them are actually that helpful. This is an obituary; an obit in a local paper doesn't speak to notability, and rather just verifies that relatives liked her; nothing mentioned in the obit is particularly noteworthy. This has their names, but doesn't actually talk about them; it would verify the job that Mr. T.H. Scandrett had, but doesn't establish notability. This has really no value for Wikipedia--it lists some of them as having won awards at a local fair. This is also an obituary, and even less useful than the first, given how brief it is. The final is also an obit, and again, offers no indication of notability. So, as a whole, I don't see anything here establishing notability. Also, please note that you can't cobble together a bunch of sources on different people and say that that somehow adds up to notability on the family. In order for the family to have an article, you'd need sources explicitly talking about the family as a whole (or chunks of it). So, I'm not seeing anything here that's going to help you build a Wikipedia article on the people. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:55, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. My thinking was the Conservation Architect's history [[14]] justified the notability and would provide the main information, and the newspaper articles could add some details. E James Bowman (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:20, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Just a note that I'm taking this article off of my watchlist in an effort to conserve my rapidly shrinking Wikipedia time, so you don't need to wait for my input to make further changes. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:16, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom, Werieth, Diannaa, Mishae, do you agree that the Conservation Architect's history [[15]] (detailed above) is (A) a reliable/verifiable source for this article and (B) one source that establishes notability of the members of the Scandrett family it details? E James Bowman (talk)

Well as I mentioned to him on my talkpage as long as no one removes the refs that means the article is verifiable.--Mishae (talk) 00:26, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Mishae. E James Bowman (talk) 03:26, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Rain film

Rain (2001 film) was filmed at Scandrett Bay: as reported in Metro (magazine), and quoted here :[[16]]: "This article presents information on Scandrett Regional Park. In Christine Jeff's motion picture "Rain," one will recognise Scandrett Bay as that film's perfect north-facing horseshoe beach, with its cluster of rumpty baches at one end and pine-studded headland at the other. In 2004 Scandrett became the latest of the ARC's 21 regional parks. Above the beach is a precinct of farm buildings, remnants of Lisadian, the sheep and dairy farm developed by the Scandrett family over 140 years. The barns and 1880s homestead will stay as the park's heritage feature". The Rain Press Kit here: [[17]] says "Jeffs discovered a private bay with a cluster of original baches (or holiday houses) that became the central location'. The film's credits, under "clip selection" here: [[18]] give "special thanks to the residents of Scandretts Bay". E James Bowman (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:16, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

from the plot summary of the movie article, it does not appear that the Park plays any intrinsic role in the film, just providing a very generic secluded camping area.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 06:03, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom, did you read the "Rain Press Kit.doc" at the bottom of: [[19]]? It says:

"LOCATION

RAIN was shot on location around the Mahurangi Peninsula on the eastern coast of New Zealand’s North Island in April/May, 2000. In comparison to the West Coast, the North Island's more gentle Eastern bays have had little on-screen exposure. 'It's a landscape that hasn't been explored in depth in a feature film until now' says producer Philippa Campbell. 'A place of incredible beauty.'

Gunn's novel is set at Lake Taupo, and the filmmakers considered Taupo as a location. 'It didn't really have the same variety of texture and atmosphere that a place like this did which is more estuary and tidal orientated, but has the mud flats and big wide open spaces.' says director Christine Jeffs. 'Water was important. It didn't need to be a lake, and it didn't need to be the sea. It was just about water.'

It was also important to communicate the sense of childhood, and of a typical New Zealand holiday community. Jeffs discovered a private bay with a cluster of original baches (or holiday houses) that became the central location. 'They had a timeless quality, which was very important for RAIN,' she explains. 'We wanted it to not be specifically art directed to be the 70's. We had to feel that it was then and reminded us of our childhood, but could also be now.'

Stylistically RAIN alludes to the 70's without losing its contemporary feel, capturing the timelessness of childhood holidays. 'The location was perfect for the story,' says Campbell. 'It evokes that perfect summer holiday we all like to think back to.' The weather and landscape added their own challenges to the process. A summer story, RAIN was filmed during an unseasonably mild autumn, and nature was surprisingly accommodating. 'Somehow the weather just hung in there" says cinematographer John Toon "It completely turned to custard the week after we wrapped.'

The film also captures a moment in time in a documentary sense. Within a few years, the bay used as the central location will become part of New Zealand's regional parks network, and all the houses will be removed. 'That feels very special' says Campbell. 'We were in the right place at the right time to capture the special qualities of a place that will soon be changed forever.'" E James Bowman (talk)

from that i would get something like "prior to the renovations in XXXX, the motion picture Rain was filmed on the location. director Jeffs said that the state of the buildings provided " feel that it was [the 1970s] and reminded us of our childhood, but could also be now. (reference) " what were you thinking?-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:50, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I've added words to that effect to the article. E James Bowman (talk) 00:51, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Disclosure

I'd like to voluntarily disclose that Ray & Fran Scandrett were my grandparents and that my family sold the property to the ARC for use as a regional park. This means I have a potential Conflict of Interest, however all family information I've added to the the article is written strictly from the non-primary sources provided, and I haven't been paid to create it. E James Bowman (talk) 06:17, 4 September 2022 (UTC)