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Pacino[edit]

It's Al Pacino not Michael Jackson!

Minor cleanup effort[edit]

Removed "Criticism" section: "The film received criticism from the Cuban community who objected to various aspects of the film.[citation needed] In order to avoid confrontations most of the film was shot in and around Los Angeles." All this has already been stated in the "Production" section. Also fixed up some grammatical problems, namely it's/its and so on, and hyperlinked some names. Omgplz (talk) 08:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Scarface and hip-hop[edit]

This section needs to go... at the very least it needs chopping down to 2 or 3 lines and made part of a section dealing with the movies influence on culture. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia article about scarface the movie, not MTV cribs or interviews with rappers. Motor 00:19, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Frank Lopez[edit]

I just deleted User:Wiki brah's article Frank Lopez, as per AFD. Any useful information below should be merged into the article. Ingoolemo talk 19:49, 2005 September 6 (UTC)

Frank Lopez is the character played by Robert Loggia in the cult classic 1983 movie Scarface. In the movie Frank Lopez is portrayed as an aging and complacent drug lord who is content to sit on his profits and not ruffle too many feathers. He is the one that takes Tony Montana into his confidence when he was just starting out in the cocaine business only to attempt to have Montana executed for appearing too ambitious. Montana survives the assassination attempt and gets his revenge by shooting Frank Lopez in his own office later that night.

just a quik note tony didnt kill lopez manny did

Who is Denise?[edit]

In the "trivia" section concerning Elvira, reference is made to someone named "Denise" without explaining who Denise is. Bulbous 04:14, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

As far as I can gather, Denise was mistakenly used by the author instead of Nicole, as Nicole Brown Simpson's older sister was named Denise.--Will.r.french 19:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Stop adding hip-hop songs about the film[edit]

I created List of songs influenced by the 1983 film Scarface, add them to that and not to this article. Buzda 03:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Protect?[edit]

This seems to be one of the more vandalised articles I have seen. Is protection in order? Bulbous 00:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Character inspiration[edit]

I'm removing the character inspiration section added the other day, someone recently added it filled completely with awful guesses at connections with little regard for historical fact. None of the connections between the characters in the film and the historical people they are supposed to represent can be found online, and most are noticeably false for the simple fact that the real people hadn't become known about until after the film was in theaters, or are completely removed geographically. The film came out in 1983, with Oliver Stone working on the screenplay from 1981-1982. Chronological errors include Barry Seal becoming a police informant a year after Scarface came out, Richard Caride making headlines in 1985. Robert Vesco wasn't even living in the U.S. when George Jung was in prison, he fled the U.S. in the early 70's and bounced around from Costa Rica to the Caribbean without returning. No character in the movie is even remotely comparable to Spain's Franco (can't believe someone even suggested that), the el Gordo character is only referenced in the movie as a U.S. distributor (the character he is supposedly patterned after was a complely dissimilar person in Colombia), Guillermo Cano didn't do big stories on Escobar until the year the film was in theaters, Delorean wasn't a car salesman and his bust was months before the film came out (his publicized trial came about when the movie was finished). Moe Kessler is a nonexistent person in the context mentioned, and "FRANK" as used by the British in a drug campaign is a reference to a knowledgeable friend speaking "frankly" (not sure how someone could even assume that an anti-drug campaign in Britain borrows its name for getting permission to do a coke deal.

Currently this artile says, using weak language, that the character may have been based on a wrestler from the 1970s. Sounds pretty ridiculous to me, I've never heard of anything like it and there's no citation there. Snowfire51 01:53, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


Critical reception[edit]

I just finished watching the two disc special edition. DePalma says that the film was well received by one notable critic, Vincent Canby of the New York Times. Someone had incorrectly noted that Roger Ebert was that critic, who actually does praise the film but probably retroactively. Check the DVD and DePalma says Vincent Canby. you can also check http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1018324-scarface/ --Substantiate 01:01, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually Ebert gave an enthusiastic review in 1983. See the movie review query engine (mrqe.com) and search Scarface. Filmprinz 13:47, 23 October 2007 (UTC)Filmprinz

Fair use rationale for Image:Scarface.jpg[edit]

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What does this mean?[edit]

The Batman recreates the traditional villain based on Al Capone as based more on Tony Montana. This version is voiced by Dan Castellaneta. Who is based on what based on who based on what?? Clarify, please. -Gohst 05:08, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

It was added by a anon user some time ago [1], the user is probably never coming back to explain it and the edit per se seems awfully speculative, I suggest removing it since there are probably no reliable reference available. Though the edit appears to be related with the Ventriloquist, a comics character that has a dummy named Scarface.- 06:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
It still doesn't make any sense as written, though. -Gohst 09:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

In pop culture[edit]

Influence on other works

The final bullet point suggesting that the number in Blink-182's name comes from the number of times Pacino said the word "fuck" is not mentioned on Blink-182's wiki page. This is likely because the reference on the Scarface page is some site in Spanish that seems inappropriate to use as an encyclopedic reference. Upon a google search, the most convincing reference I could find was this one: http://www.blink-182.org/facts.articles.html?show_article=6, claiming to be from a Rolling Stone article from 1998 on the band. It says that Tom DeLonge claimed Scarface is where the number came from. I would surmise, and I have heard this before, that there is no particular reason for the number in Blink-182's name. So, if the Rolling Stone article is real, the Wikipedia article on Scarface should say that, in an interview with Rolling Stone, Tom DeLonge claimed that Blink-182 took the number in their name from the number of times Pacino says the word "fuck" in Scarface, though this claim is contradicted by the band members elsewhere.-Ahenobarbus 08:07, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I remember one of the band's members claiming this in an interview that I saw once, several years ago... Not that I'm a reliable sorce by any means, but I'm pretty sure that that was the first place that I heard that claim, so I assume it's true. It would certainly be a huge coincidence that these numbers just happen to be the same, especially considering the impact that this movie made with persons of the band's generation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.245.177.172 (talk) 14:14, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I've a FWFR on the site: Scent of a Cuban. Not meant as an offence to Cubans. Excuse me, Cubans. Gregorik (talk) 15:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Scarface xboxboxboxart 160w.jpg[edit]

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Merge Alex Sosa, Manny Ribera, Frank Lopez[edit]

Rebenga (Scarface)[edit]

I agree to the merge as long as only the relevant info is merged into the main article. --Nreive (talk) 09:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Merge, Rebenga is one of those characters that only appear to be killed, there is no way we can turn that into a encyclopedic article. - Caribbean~H.Q. 09:33, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Scarface[edit]

Template:Scarface has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Hnsampat (talk) 02:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

The Specials' "Gangsters"[edit]

The song is from 1979 so it is certainly not a reference to this particular movie. I will remove this. --Buxbaum666 (talk) 10:07, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

In popular culture[edit]

This is all unsourced and in list form. It needs to cited, converted into prose and inserted back into the article in the appropriate section.--J.D. (talk) 20:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

  • The album Music Inspired by Scarface was released by Def Jam Recordings in 2003. This compilation album features songs by various hip-hop artists which either draw direct inspiration from the film or contain subject matter that can relate to the film.
  • In the 2007 video game The Simpsons Game, in the level Five Characters in Search of An Authour, Bart Simpson will confront Matt Groening in Scarface's mansion, the globe will be saying The World, Dude.
  • The opening sequence of Scarface was duplicated for the opening of the Beastie Boys concert movie, Awesome; I Fuckin' Shot That!.
  • Tony's M16 rifle, which he dubbed his "little friend", ranked eighth in a 20th Century Fox film poll regarding the most popular film weapons. The 2008 poll surveyed approximately two thousand film lovers.[1]
  • In the Code Monkeys episode StonerVision, the drug lord Dave & Jerry borrow money from is named Tony Dakota.
  • In the game Predator: Concrete Jungle, The protagonist-like Predator is named Scarface, and near the end of the game a character says "say hello to my little friends" before setting xenomorphs on Scarface.
  • A large part of the popular video game Grand Theft Auto: Vice City draws influence from the movie, including a mansion near the ocean that resembles Tony's. The final battle scene also resembles the one in Scarface with many rival gang members storming the mansion.
  • A Colombian drug lord in the video game Hitman: Codename 47 has striking similarities to Tony Montana. Most particularly the battle scene where the player might confront him from the upper mansion study room - similar to the final scene in the film.
  • The hit show The Boondocks on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim block has a parody of the film's poster in the introduction.
  • In the film Reno 911: Miami, the character Ethan is parody of Tony Montana. He is a Cuban drug lord with a thick accent and in one scene is seen torturing a man with a string trimmer (a parody of the chainsaw scene in Scarface).
  • In Company, the Hindi film based on Indian Underworld, Chandarkant Nagre, (Vivek Oberoi), refuses to kill a politician his boss, Malik (Ajay Devgan) has ordered him to kill because he is not alone as expected but has kids along with him. This disobedience becomes the reason of gang war between the two. The scene is clearly influenced by Scarface.
  • Former WWF (WWE) superstar, Scott Hall had a successful 4 year run as "Razor Ramon" using mannerisms and quotes from Tony Montana. Though, he physically resembled Manny.
  • The posters for the successful 2007 film American Gangster borrowed the aesthetic scheme of the famous Scarface movie poster featuring a grainy high-contrast black-and-white image of a man in a white suit.
  • In the show Home movies,in Jason's room you can sometimes see a poster that says "Scab face" on it.It resembles the art work of Scarface but has Jason's head taped over the real head.
  • Rapper Ice-T uses Manny's pickup/face slapping, and Tony's "In this country, you gotta make the money first" lecture in his aptly entitled song, "Money, Power, Women" from the 'Greatest Hits: The Evidence' CD in 2000.
  • Immortal Technique samples the reporter's interview in his song "Peruvian Cocaine".
  • Rapper Shyne uses the "All I Have Is My Balls" conversation between Tony and Sosa at the start of his song "By Any Means Necessary".
  • Rapper Jay-Z uses the conversation between Tony and Omar Suarez at the start of his song "Can't Knock The Hustle".
  • In an Episode of Kenny vs Spenny Kenny wore a Shirt with the Movie Cover on it showing him instead of Tony with his name on it.
  • In the 1995 Jim Carrey movie Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls, Ace Ventura introduces the skunk in his hands saying "Say hello to my stinky little friend!" before spraying the bad guys with it.

new scarface 2 on november 19th 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.202.0 (talk) 20:56, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Production 'trivia'[edit]

This is both a gratuitous section and has crappy source (the IMDb). 71.194.62.168 (talk) 22:22, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Plot section[edit]

Personally, I think it needs to be heavily edited. There's just too much detail making the article unnecessarily long. I just want to know if anyone else agrees before I start making any modifications.--The Scourge (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Allmovie[edit]

  • Scarface at AllMovie ... plot synopsis, review, cast, production credits, awards

Reference available for citing in the article body. Erik (talk) 19:57, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

IMDb[edit]

Any real problem with the IMDb rating being included in the 'Legacy' section? Someone added it, it was then deleted by someone who moaned about it changing through time but that's not uncommon and the secret is to update it regularly, like several hundred thousand other Wikis. The addition was described, erroneously, lazily and rudely as my 'real helpful' addition and I'm not sure where the negativity comes from; IMDb is a hugely popular and influential site - more so perhaps than Empire? I'm not fussed either way if it stays or goes but deletionism and a failure to discuss removal or facts is far more worrying. Perhaps we could arrive at a concensus here? --80.192.21.253 (talk) 23:34, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't see other people defending your opinion, and it's more than one person who is "moaning" about the IMDb inclusion. Yes, I agree IMDb is hugely popular and an influential site -- and I personally find it more so than Empire. But, if you're really not fussed with the way you've been acting, I'd hate to see what you're like when you really are fussed. But let's stick to the facts. The ranking on IMDb is just a small factor of why this shouldn't be included. The overriding factor is the notability issue--not with IMDb, but rather the opinions that went in to achieve its rating on the list. The reception/legacy should include only those who are notable (critics, members of the academy), not just any random user who tally a vote on a very structurally flawed list. This should be done to maintain notability, but also to avoid redundancies. Perhaps if it was fighting for the #1 spot on the list, like The Godfather and The Shawshank Redemption do, it may be worth noting; but in this case, no. Geeky Randy (talk) 18:30, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, on second thoughts Geeky, you're so right! --80.192.21.253 (talk) 21:20, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

So, we've reached a concensus then? Geeky Randy (talk) 05:13, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Richard Belzer[edit]

Surprised amongst the extensive details mentioned in the article the fact that Richard Belzer was the comic on stage when the shooting in the night club occurred was not amongst such mentioned details.--Jrm2007 (talk) 05:25, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

A remake[edit]

How come the article doesn't mention that the film is a remake of Scarface (1932 film)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.193.42.92 (talk) 19:41, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Blu-ray[edit]

Hi everyone, I took the liberty of including information about the upcoming blu-ray release. Sorry for not detailing my sources. It's 3 AM and I'm tired...Jonay81687 (talk) 07:24, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

This section reads like an advertisement for the Blu-ray. --187.127.45.142 (talk) 23:01, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Typo?[edit]

In the following sentence from the plot section, should it rather be "henchman, Alberto," or is it grammatically correct as it is? I changed it to the singular with the commas a few edits back; it was reverted, making me question my edit.

"Learning of the sting, Sosa offers Tony a quid pro quo: Sosa will use his government connections to keep Tony out of jail, but Tony must fly to New York City with Sosa's henchmen Alberto to help assassinate a Bolivian journalist intent on exposing Sosa during a speech to the United Nations." Micromann (talk) 14:02, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Should be 'henchman', but not with any extra commas. I'll go fix it. GRAPPLE X 16:03, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Micromann (talk) 17:01, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Grand Theft Auto[edit]

I can see mentioning the "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City" hotel bathroom because it is laid out like the incident in the Scarface film. But the rest of that paragraph seems to be speculation. Did the creators of the game say they were inserting references...? Lots42 (talk) 10:29, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Production[edit]

i see this article has no Production section, can someone pls add it? along with details on making of the film? also, I'd also like this article to mention it has inspired the popular GTA games. NO, don't ask me for source. u can find easily through Google. anyone has a reply, pls notify me on my talkpage. Kailash29792 (talk) 18:05, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

  1. ^ Sophie Borland (2008-01-21). "Lightsaber wins the battle of movie weapons". The Daily Telegraph. Retrieved 2008-01-26. 

Laserdisc Releases[edit]

This article fails to mention the laserdisc releases of this film. There are three major (US) releases:

1984: Originally retailing for $39.98 MCA released full frame (1.33:1) stereo laserdisc version in 1984 [40047]. (http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/01962/40047/Scarface-(1983))

1993: Originally retailing for $39.98 MCA/Universal rereleased Scarface as a widescreen (2.35:1) Dolby Surround remaster in 1993. This release also featured a digitally remastered video transfer from the original 35mm negative [41473]. (http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/04527/41473/Scarface-(1983))

1996: Originally retailing for $129.98, MCA/Universal rereleased Scarface for its Signature collection in 1996. This release features a digitally remastered widescreen (2.35:1) Dolby Surround transfer. Also included is a 6 page fold out with production stills and a short article about the controversy of the release and initial X rating. In addition, this release includes the Making of Scarface documentary, Outtakes, the original theatrical trailers, the theatrical trailer for Carlito's Way, and production and publicity photographs [42724]. (http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/07247/42724/Scarface-(1983))

Pacino is the star[edit]

I just reverted the addition of other actor's names from the infobox. It is clear from the poster that Pacino is the star, in fact, no other actor's names even appear on the version of the poster we are using for the article. I would like to establish consensus here for Pacino's name being the only one listed in the infobox. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 17:02, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

This is fine by me, every poster only bills Pacino, anything else is playing favorites and just deciding who was in a starring role. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 23:41, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
I disagree with this, as although Pacino is the "star", it is pretty standard on Wikipedia movie pages to include the main supporting players in that section. So no, it should NOT be only Pacino listed. That reeks of "fanboy-editing". I also disagree with whoever deleted the reference to Armitage Trail and his original novel, considering he originally wrote the overall plot of the film. This entire article needs to be rewritten from a more objective point of view and not dominated by "fanboys". Colliric (talk) 23:07, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Calling people you don't know fanboys for reasoning you don't know based on edits you don't like doesn't make you above everyone. The starring section guideline was decided to use the billing block on posters. Pacino is the only person listed on any available poster. The film is only mentioned as being based on or a remake of the 1932 film which it deviates from heavily, there is no reason to put the Armitage Trail anywhere and I would love you to explain how NOT mentioning it constitutes fanboyism. As far as I can see, the credits mention the Armitage Trail nowhere. DWB (talk) / Comment on Dredd's FA nom! 23:19, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
The Starring section guidelines also state that if it is not available(or, by interpretation, sufficient), which in many cases it isn't, , that the Credits Roll(presumably the opening one) is also to be used in the "Starring" section. It can be argued that is CERTAINLY the case here, given that there was only one Star billed on the poster... as an alternative and opposite(where the main Star didn't get Top Billing on the poster) example, Christopher Reeves wouldn't be said to be starring in "Superman: The Movie" if we went by the film poster alone! It would say "Starring Marlon Brando and Gene Hackman" only, and them Maybe Reeves who was listed as a "Supporting Player" in the poster's fine print! So, while I won't do it myself(because I tend to try and avoid "edit wars"), if someone else puts the expanded cast info for the film back in, there's a strong argument that it should stay, as the guidelines specifically say "If unavailable(which can be interpreted as "insufficient" also), use the top-billed actors from the screen credits." As To my other point, I will have to review the credits myself. So I'll leave that for now. Ok it was probably a bit extreme calling some editors "fanboys" so I apologize, but naturally this article, being about a cult movie, is going to be edited by the "enthusiastic fans" of the film. After all I am a fan of it myself! Colliric (talk) 05:33, 9 December 2013 (UTC)