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Space Western/Space frontier/Space Opera/Sci-FiWestern
I think these are different themes and do not need to be merged. People also substitute these with space Opera which I think is wrong. Space Western, Sci-Fi Western, Space Frontier, Sci-Fi opera are all different themes I have not examined these pages yet, but Space Western and Space Frontier keep getting tagged as unverified. I think the sources need to be discussed here before they are tagged. If a user has a problem with the sources and tags the article, it has to be debated first. I'd prefer to hit 2 targets with one stone so let's discuss here only 188.8.131.52 (talk) 23:51, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
- You don't get to make up terms for an encyclopedia article. This is a field with a long history of very intelligent discussion, by fans, authors and (recently) academics, about themes and subgenres. I would particularly advise you, speaking as a subject-matter expert who was proud to call the originator of the term his friend, that you study the history and context of the term space opera much more closely than you have. And of course, it should go without saying that you should not used the deprecated pejorative "sci-fi" to discuss this literature. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:55, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
- I am not clear what the difference between "Space Western" and "Sci-Fi Western" would be. I'm not clear on what "Space Frontier" would be as a distinct subgenre; it's really more of a theme in my ears as so much SF would use frontier tropes. There are space westerns, but this is at best a very minor category, not of the significance or depth of the other subgenres listed. This shouldn't be a random laundry list; if smaller definable categories need discussion, another article and/or level of hierarchy could be appropriate. Avt tor (talk) 18:58, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
- It depends what the reliable sources say. The choice of themes should rely on scholarly sources; I don't think this is something that we can productively debate without reference to sources. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 01:17, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
- And of course I never said they all go under "space opera" (which would be absurd). These are terms of art, with specific meanings and shadings of meaning, some of them with deep roots in the field and in pop culture terminology. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:54, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Repairing "Other sub-genres"
Some of these sub-genres are not sufficiently differentiated to include in the list. Specifically, Steampunk and Dieselpunk. I suggest Dieselpunk be mentioned under Steampunk, since the latter is the more common label. User talk:Hookandloop
There's been a recent bit of back-and-forth about whether Doctor Who should be included in the "History" section. The justification for its exclusion, which is reasonable enough on its own terms, was that the rest of the paragraph was about North American science fiction television. But that paragraph sits oddly with the rest of the "History" section, which is otherwise entirely about literary science fiction. It's also odd to mention all those science fiction series of the 1990s and early 2000s when there's no mention of The Twilight Zone, The Outer Limits, or even the original Star Trek.
I suggest that the entire section, from "The television series Star Trek: The Next Generation..." to "a record later broken by Smallville" be removed, and instead a brief section be added to the article summarizing the history of science fiction on television, with a global perspective. A survey article like this shouldn't go into such specific details as naming particular direct-to-DVD Stargate films. (I do think that the "most successful sci-fi series" of all time deserves coverage beyond being an example of the time travel subgenre.)
I'm tempted to be bold and make this change right away, but it would probably be better to wait for some feedback from active editors of this page. Also, I'd like to work from good reliable sources instead of presenting what I assume to be "common knowledge" — can anyone recommend a particular source (perhaps a book) which presents a thorough overview of science fiction on television? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 15:55, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Error in source name?
In a footnote, we have Science Fiction at Large (ed. Peter Nichols). I can't find a reference to this work (It doesn't come up in Amazon and Worldcat isn't working for me now). If the title is correct, my guess is that the editor is probably Peter Nicholls. Kdammers (talk) 10:56, 21 October 2014 (UTC)