Talk:Scipio Aemilianus

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
          This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome (Rated Start-class, High-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is part of the WikiProject for Classical Greece and Rome, a group of contributors who write Wikipedia's Classics articles. If you would like to join the WikiProject or learn how to contribute, please see our project page. If you need assistance from a classicist, please see our talk page.
Start-Class article Start  This article has been rated as Start-Class on the project's quality scale.
 High  This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.
WikiProject Military history (Rated Start-Class)
MILHIST This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.
Start This article has been rated as Start-Class on the quality assessment scale.
WikiProject Biography / Military / Politics and Government (Rated C-class)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by the military biography work group (marked as Mid-importance).
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by the politics and government work group (marked as Mid-importance).
Note icon
It is requested that a photograph or picture of this person be included in this article to improve its quality.

Scipio and the Gracchi[edit]

after his return to Rome he was publicly asked by the tribune Gaius Papirius Carbo what he thought of the fate of Gracchus, and replied that he was justly slain.

This is incorrect. Scipio's ambiguous answer was that if Gracchus had striven for the crown, he had been justly slain (see Theodor Mommsen, "The History of Rome", p.100 in the German edition). —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:21, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

This is a very good essay on Scipio. I'm not happy with the sentence about Scipio's repentance being tardy. Two things: it wasn't Scipio's decision to annihilate Carthage (in fact the Senate sent a committee of ten to oversee the process); Polybius explicitly says it was not a repentance. I've just been doing some reading on this and Astin (A. E. Astin "Scipio Aemilianus", Oxford, 1967) includes a persuasive Appendix ("Scipio's Tears At Carthage") that argues that they were probably not tears of remorse. He concludes, "That Scipio was genuinely moved may be agreed without hesitation, as also that, doubltess amid a welter of emotions, of pride and triumph, or relief and joy, he felt sadness at the reminder that sooner or later all earthly things must pass . . ."

I'm not exactly sure how to replace the sentence, though. The drama of Scipio weeping is too good to leave out, but its meaning is hard to capture briefly. - Ward

Wasn´t there a story of him crying upon seing carthage destroyed and murmuming: .... someday Rome?

This quote is a decent paraphrase of what appears in Appian's Punic Wars, ch. 132. Polybius also references the famous lament of Scipio Africanus Minor, but in much less detail:: —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:57, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


The picture is in fact of a well-known story usually referred to as the "continence of Scipio". It concerns the capture of Cartago Nuova in Spain, when Scipio was "given" an attractive woman as a prize of war. He returned her to her fiance. It's a popular subject in 16-18th century art. Paul B 11:45, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Note: The reference is however incorrect; the Scipio depicted in the "continence of Scipio" is Scipio Major, not Scipio Aemilianus. Michael A
Yes, I'll move the image to Mr Major's page. Paul B 12:39, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Original name[edit]

Was his original name "Publius Aemilius Paullus" or "Lucius Aemilius Paullus" or what? This should be listed here, I think. john k 23:47, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

It is not on record, because he was adopted very young, in his early teens, before he had any public role. According to the strict rules of Roman nomenclature he should have been Marcus Aemilius Paullus and his elder brother (Q. Fabius Maximus Aemilianus cos.145) would have been Lucius Aemilius Paullus, as the first two sons of L. Aemilius L. f. M. n. Paullus (cos.182, 168). What is on record, however, is that he was adopted by P. Cornelius Scipio Africanus the augur (the homonymous eldest son of the first Scipio to be called Africanus), and hence his name after the adoption was P. Cornelius Scipio Africanus Aemilianus, which could be abbreviated as the "Aemilian Scipio", or "Aemilian Scipio Africanus", but he was certainly NOT Scipio Aemilianus Afircanus, as he is named in this article. Please change it whoever has the control of these things. It is an embarassment. Appietas (talk) 07:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. He would have been considered the legally-recognized son of Scipio Africanus the Augur, and his previous cognomen would have been an afterthought. The same premise can be seen in Augustus' case. He became "Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus" following his adoption by the assassinated dictator, and reacted with marked anger against those who later refused to call him "Caesar." —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Overly fawning tone[edit]

The tone of this page seems a little too fawning and overpraising of the man. 11:55, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the last two paragraphs should be removed as they are praising Scipio rather than giving actual facts --Must WIN 01:20, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


Scipio's name ended with the title 'Numantius' given to him after the conquest and destruction of Numantia in North-East Spain. Is it possible that we change the title of the article so his full name is there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

It is possible for you to give a source for this addition to his name? Appietas (talk) 07:51, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

too complimentary and biased - needs an overhaul. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:59, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


This article claims that scipio was a moderate. He was anything but. He was a conservative man. He followed the mos maiorum


This article claims that scipio was a moderate. He was anything but. He was a conservative man. He followed the mos maiorum


This article claims that scipio was a moderate. He was anything but. He was a conservative man. He followed the mos maiorum — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:10, 2 May 2014 (UTC)