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References[edit]

Population[edit]

Sorry I tried to update the population figure but I mucked it up. Here's the new figure and the reference. 5,295,000 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-20754750

Is scotland a country?[edit]

shudnt scotland be cald a constituent contry get ur facts right ppl — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.47.138.6 (talk) 21:14, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Learn to spell, then come back. Britmax (talk) 16:32, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Numerous reliable sources support the view that Scotland is a country—see for example the article entitled Countries of the United Kingdom, and a table of references at Talk:Countries of the United Kingdom/refs. This view is shared with other reputable encyclopedias. There has been a long-standing consensus to describe Scotland in this way.
This is one of the most frequent questions raised by visitors to this talk page. However, in the absence of a formal British constitution, and owing to a convoluted history of the formation of the United Kingdom, a variety of terms exist which are used to refer to Scotland[1], England, Northern Ireland, Wales and the UK itself. Reliable and official sources support use of the word "countries", and this term has broadly won preference amongst the editing community. Note however, that a country is not the same as a "sovereign state", and that "constituent country" is also used in other parts of Wikipedia. The community endeavours to achieve an atmosphere of neutrality, compromise, and camaraderie on this issue.
Rob (talk | contribs) 16:54, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Read the FAQs at the top of the page before posting; this question is answered directly. The short answer is "Scotland is a country". A "constituent" country is still a country. --Connelly90[AlbaGuBràth] (talk) 11:11, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Wrong - Scotland is not a country. The UK is a country. When did Wikipedia get taken over by the SNP? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.49.12.136 (talk) 11:47, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I think you will find that "the SNP" are quite busy with other matters at present. We may all be able to agree that the terminology of British Isles related matters is complex, but as Connelly90 suggests above you may find the FAQ at the top of this page helpful. Ben MacDui 12:56, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
The UK is a "Sovereign State" and England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales are countries, but they aren't sovereign states. (WP:NOTSOAPBOX) --Connelly90 14:06, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
I think you will find that a false analysis. There was no extinction of the sovereignty of the two kingdoms on the island of Great Britain (Ireland being a totally different kettle of fish), merely a merging in 1707 (Whatever nonsense has been spouted since). Have a look at the clauses of the acts? Im afraid Wales doen't get a look in by virtue of being taken by conquest (however unfair that may be!)

Brendandh (talk) 22:32, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


Article 1 of the 1706 Treaty expressly states "That the Two Kingdoms of Scotland and England, shall upon the 1st May next ensuing the date hereof, and forever after, be United into One Kingdom by the Name of GREAT BRITAIN." This confirms the extinction of the two earlier sovereignties and the creation of a single new sovereignty and a single new kingdom 'Great Britain'. Whether or not one can say a single new country was created, or that the two countries remained distinct entities, wholly depends on how one chooses to define a country. For my money I'm happy to call Scotland and England two countries even though they are not two states. Cassandra. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.11.168 (talk) 11:57, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia cannot be called a reliable source. The English and Scottish Crowns were in a personal union of two separate countries after 1603. However after 1707 the Act of Union was the amalgamation of the governments and for most purposes the administration of England and Scotland. The Act referred to the two kingdoms becoming one. The term country was not used in those days, and kingdom was the equivalent. In the absence of a legal definition of "country", I would suggest that it requires that the entity be independent. A degree of internal self-administration is not sufficient. Otherwise US states and colonies could be called countries, which I think most people would see as incorrect.Royalcourtier (talk) 02:03, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

While I accept the Wikipedia policy on this I do agree with Royalcourtier's analysis above. That said, I've discussed the issue elsewhere quite recently and it seems there is a disparity between what Scots are taught in school on this matter and what the rest of the UK is taught. Purely anecdotally, I've been told that in Scotland it's taught that there are 'four countries that make up the United Kingdom', while the rest of the UK seems to be taught that there is 'one country made up of four constituent nations'. Clearly it's a purely academic difference that's causing issues. --Cdfbrown (talk) 01:37, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

'Country' is very misleading as it is frequently mistaken as being a sovereign state. I see no reason why consensus must be met on the talk page considering it is fact and more precise than simply labelling Scotland as a 'country' with no pre-text as to what this is. Why, under any circumstances, should we not refer to it as a 'constituent' country - to dumb the article down? To nationalise it? It makes no sense! All it does is contradict the United Kingdom article, in-which the UK is described as a sovereign state as opposed to a country. The opening statement as to what Scotland is must be concise and unambiguous. This special exception is not the case elsewhere, and so works to confuse the reader. See: Greenland. Italay90 (talk) 14:31, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
As it says at the top of this page: "Discussions on this page often lead to previous arguments being restated. Please read recent comments, look in the archives and review the FAQ before commenting." Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:38, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Current new News[edit]

Headine-1: Scottish independence poll:Yes on brink of victory

QUOTE: “The extreme negativity of the No campaign is playing into the hands of Alex Salmond. ” [The last sentence of the third paragraph (WP article herein) already talks about the referendum in September.] — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 20:12, 21 April 2014 (UTC) — PS: FYI for future editing.

Not really relevant. This article takes a broad overview of Scotland, covering a couple of thousand years. And we don't describe those years day-by-day. Events like this poll are far too minor to be of any importance for the article. The only independence poll with any real relevance for it will be the one in September.-- Derek Ross | Talk 21:22, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. That's why I said, "for future editing" meaning in September, and then, only if 'independence' changes. — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 15:58, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

National Animal[edit]

The citation given for stating Scotland's national animal as the unicorn is not credible. It is a piece of journalism that lacks academic rigor. Despite having heraldic and symbolic significance in Scottish history, the unicorn is not in fact an animal and thus cannot be the national animal of Scotland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.29.168.6 (talk) 17:42, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

I was intending to agree, but there are plenty of other sources as well, like this and this. However, this takes a different view. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:10, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Margo MacDonald[edit]

The Government and Politics section states the following: "Margo MacDonald is the only independent MSP sitting in parliament." This should probably be updated to something like: "Margo MacDonald was the only independent MSP sitting in parliament until her death in April 2014. As she was elected as a Regional List MSP, no by-election will be held, and her seat will remain vacant until the next general election to the Scottish Parliament." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajrussellaudio (talkcontribs) 00:56, 21 May 2014‎

Now updated, without going into unnecessary detail about the lack of need for a by-election. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:31, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
There are now 2 other independent MSPs - Jean Urquhart and John Finnie (though both were elected as SNP candidates).--Vclaw (talk) 12:43, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2014[edit]

Historic and avant-garde, quirky and elegant, rainy and heartwarming - Glasgow is a city of opposites and of inspiration, dear to anyone who's lived here and unforgettable to any visitor.

It's a city where people like to dress up and have fun, to party all night, to soak up culture and to have a bit of banter with the next person in the queue.

It's a city where you'll see charity-shop hipsters rub shoulders with stylish high-flyers, where indulgence can mean cocktails and designer handbags or a stroll through a Victorian park.

It's a city of underground music venues and architectural jewels, of art and music festivals, and of lazy Sunday morning brunches.

It has a vast cultural offering and it's like no other place in the world.

92.233.171.172 (talk) 23:58, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Precisely what is your request? HiLo48 (talk) 02:07, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done Copyvio and spamcruftpeacockfroth - Arjayay (talk) 07:08, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

  1. ^ Scottish Parliament. "Your Scotland questions; Is Scotland a country?". Scottish Parliament. Retrieved 2008-08-01. "As the UK has no written constitution in the usual sense, constitutional terminology is fraught with difficulties of interpretation and it is common usage nowadays to describe the four constituent parts of the UK (Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland) as 'countries'."