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[edit] John McTernan

I'm not sure the reference to John McTernan really belongs in the introduction. This section should summarise the Scottish Labour Party in the most general terms, before elaboration in following sections. Mr McTernan's appointment is a relevant addition to this article, but I'd suggest it goes elsewhere - perhaps a new section about the Scottish Labour since devolution? The article on the Wales Labour Party provides an example of how this might work. In the meantime I've removed two of the three references to the secondment - one is all that is required and their other two (while mentioning the secondment) were primarily about the cash for peerages investigation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Normalmouth (talk • contribs) 10:54, 24 January 2007 (UTC).

The two references you removed are the ones which specifically mention his secondment, and position as chief. Therefore they stay. --Mais oui! 10:57, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello. Three is rather excessive don't you think? One good one is all that is required, which the Scotsman article supplies. Normalmouth 11:04, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
No. It was you who tried to completely remove any mention whatsoever of McTernan, doubting the verifiability of the sentence. I then solidly back up the statement, per WP:CITE. And what do you then do but immediately attempt to remove the references which you yourself requested!?! Just cut it out Normalmouth. We have seen you at work for far far too long, and your modus operandi is well-known. --Mais oui! 11:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
You've misunderstood me. I wanted a better reference. You supplied that, so thanks - good work. Three references however is simply OTT. As for the statement itself (as explained above) I think it belongs elsewhere in the article, but for now I'm ahappy to see it in. Can we work on a section that places the second in its proper context (i.e as a recent development ina party that has existed for a long time)? Normalmouth 11:13, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
No. I did not 'misunderstand' anything whatsoever. I have a perfect understanding of your behaviour here at Wikipedia, which has been transparent since your very first edits. Attempting to be syrupy-sweet on Talk pages, while simultaneously implementing a one-man POV war, is not fooling anybody. Your Edit history speaks for itself. --Mais oui! 11:18, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
There's clearly no talking to you at the moment. My collaboration with others on Wikipedia speaks for itself. I do not need to defend myself against you. User: Wangi has commented to the effect that one reference is sufficient, and he agees with me that the Scotsman one is the right one. I've nothing further to add at this stage, but I will be looking to edit the article at a future stage so that the McTernan secondment is placed in better context. Just so you are aware. Normalmouth 11:29, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Update Needed

This article needs updated because Jack McConnell is no longer First Minister and is now Leader of the largest opposition party and the same goes for Cathie Jamieson with Justice. Also the entire London Government changed and Alistar Darling still has one of his old jobs while he has argubly of the most important in the country. I would do it myself but I don't know enough about the Labour Party. Thank You. Gr1873 22:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)gr1873Gr1873 22:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Leader

Why is Cathy Jamieson shown as the leader? Gordon Brown is the leader of the Scottish Labour Party. Donald Dewar, Henry McLeish, Jack McConnell and Wendy Alexander (and now Cathy Jamieson as caretaker) have led the Labour group of MSPs in the Scottish Parliament. The infobox should be amended to reflect this separation. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 13:52, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Gordon Brown is the leader of the Labour Party in the entire UK. There is not a leader of the Scottish Labour Party but Cathy Jamieson is the caretaker yes but the leader of the Scottish Labour Party is different from the entire Labour Party. I believe that this point was painfully clear when Wendy Alexander broke from party line calling for an independence referndum. Also can someone do a proper edit of this entire article as what I said almost a year ago still stands that I do not know much about the Labour Party. Thank you again. Gr1873 —Preceding comment was added at 20:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I think the point being made is that there is no such position as leader of the Scottish Labour Party, but only the position as leader of the Labour group in the Scottish Parliament. Note Labour's own usage here: [1].
It's a slightly pedantic point, but I think it's well made. --Breadandcheese (talk) 11:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Infobox

Apart from the "leader" (whoever that may be - refs definitely needed) would it not be sensible to also put the General Secretary (currently Colin Smyth) in the Infobox? --Mais oui! (talk) 16:51, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

If other Scottish parties have the General secretary then i would not object to it being added here. Although i do not think it is really needed, especially if the Colin Smyth holding that position isnt even notable enough for an article.
As for Iian Gray the Scottish labour leader, heres a source if its really needed. [2] BritishWatcher (talk) 21:32, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
This is misleading - Iain Gray is Labour's leader in the Scottish Parliament - check the Labour party website [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.167.198.195 (talk) 21:56, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
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