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Amazing (especially considering where the article was earlier this year). It really is inspirational to see a hard-working and dedicated editor like Diannaa plugging away to achieve such great outcomes. Well done, thanks, and best wishes for the GA. GFHandel   00:20, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Withdrawn, premature. Gimmetoo (talk) 05:34, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
fixedBr'er Rabbit (talk) 10:17, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
This nomination is closed. Interesting that a user who has made only 6 edits to the article (and 2 to the talk page) chose to restore the closed nomination, with inappropriate edit summaries, rather than address any of the content and sourcing issues I've already raised. Gimmetoo (talk) 15:24, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Due to repeated restoration I have been forced to quick fail this article for unresolved sourcing and content issues. Gimmetoo (talk) 15:40, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Fixed, gimme; you're being disruptive. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 15:49, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Sourcing and content issues have still not been addressed. Gimmetoo (talk) 23:52, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

The only thing that hasn't been addressed is your long-standing disruption, which I doubt you'd be getting away with if not by some miracle you'd managed to get through RfA. Malleus Fatuorum 00:30, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
why is this? I've been watching the page ever since the Rabbit started fixing the citations. Also have noted Dianna's contribution. Gimmetoo has contributed nothing positive and only disruption. How can this be? MathewTownsend (talk) 01:12, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
It's been going on for years with Gimmetoo, on various articles. Only he can say why. Malleus Fatuorum 01:19, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Sourcing and content issues have still not been addressed. I'll check back in a couple days and if they are still not addressed, I will consider a GA review. Gimmetoo (talk) 00:29, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

If you want to make a fool of yourself that's entirely up to you, but I'd strongly suggest a community review, as after your recent shenanigans an individual review would likely result in sanctions against you. Malleus Fatuorum 00:34, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
What happened here was that some peripheral content for which I was unable to locate readily verifiable sources was removed as part of the GA prep. That's a perfectly normal part of preparing an article for nomination, and I am prepared to defend the choices that I made. The fact that an independent reviewer has now passed the article to GA, while saying that "overall the article is really good", only serves to back up my choices as being improvements to the article. I would also like to point out that if you have some good properly sourced content you wish to add to the article, there's no reason why you can't add it yourself. There's no need to try to intimidate me or bully me into doing it for you. -- Dianna (talk) 11:59, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
wp:GAR does say:
  • Fix any simple problems yourself.
Br'er Rabbit (talk) 16:43, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
I see there is still no substantive reply to issues that were raised weeks ago now. You removed sources, and sourced information. Had you addressed the issues when they were raised, perhaps they could have been discussed and resolved, but your persistent refusal to engage discussion made discussion difficult.Gimmetoo (talk) 05:16, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Are you for real? Either put up or shut up. Malleus Fatuorum 05:23, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
He's just being petulant and disruptive, as usual. Br'er Rabbit (talk) 06:20, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Gimmetoo, more than one editor has requested that you make a succinct list of the problems that you feel remain. Could you please do that now so that we can try to address the issues? GFHandel   06:15, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
I listed some, and they were ignored, or worse. And certain editors here even seem to repeatedly modify my talk page comments. Gimmetoo (talk) 06:39, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I really want to thank Malleus for all his terrific copy edit work, most of it done back in May, which made the article so much better. His work is one of the primary reasons why the article is at GA today. And GFHandel and Br'er Rabbit put in a lot of work on the citations. It's a real testament to how much can be done when a few people get together and collaborate on an article.

Gimmetoo, as far as I can tell, all your concerns that you listed back in May were dealt with. If I missed something, please tell me what it is, or edit the article yourself to make the improvements you feel are necessary. I ask you for the sixth time. I do realise that some peripheral content (such as the cuff links and keys to the city story) for which I was unable to locate readily verifiable sources was removed as part of the GA prep. That's a perfectly normal part of preparing an article for a GA nomination, and I am prepared to defend the choices that I made. So if you would like to discuss any specific items that I removed, things you think are important that are now not included that you wish to have re-added, let's talk about it and get your input as to what further improvements you feel are needed. That's how collaborative editing works, and you're welcome to participate. -- Dianna (talk) 14:34, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I am pretty sure the removal of the cuff links/keys to the city story is what is troubling you the most, so I will give a thorough explanation for that particular choice. The link went dead, and your reasoning is that it doesn't matter; since the citation was available at one point it doesn't matter that we cannot access it any more. But the material at WP:DEADREF says to "Remove hopelessly lost web-only sources: If the source material does not exist offline, and if there is no archived version of the webpage (be sure to wait ~24 months), and if you are unable to find another copy of the material, then the dead citation should be removed and the material it supports should be regarded as unverifiable." So I took it out. It's not an important part of the story anyways; and sketchily-sourced material has to be removed as part of GA prep. Sourcing is the main thing that separates a GA article from a B-class article. -- Dianna (talk) 14:56, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Agree. I first identified and tagged the "key to the city" reference (which was added on October 29, 2006) as a dead link, and I remember spending a long time trying to find a replacement—but couldn't. I found it troubling that no source could be found for the event of a celebrity receiving the key to a city, and agree with the removal of the information because it would be better if WP could be certain about such claims. GFHandel   22:06, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
I tried to source it too, but failed. It's not an important enough piece of information that I would leave it in the article essentially unsourced. The fact that they awarded him a "day" tells the same story. -- Dianna (talk) 22:18, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
As did I. If Gimmetoo's got a reliable source then it's more than time that he revealed it or STFU. Malleus Fatuorum 22:31, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Diannaa, you will notice that Diddy Day was discussed previously (see May 29), and you chose not to reply. For support in removing the material, now you mention a clause in WP:DEADREF. This story was released by AP. Are you disputing that this was an AP story? Are you disputing the title of the story? You are aware of other links that corroborate the material; one is in the article, and another provided on the talk page mentions other details (the cufflinks). "WP:Verifiability does not require that all information be supported by a working link...." It's now been over two weeks since I asked why you removed sources and replaced them with what appears to be something written by a children's author. (The removed sources were from Time, USA Today, Rolling Stone, People, CBS.) No reply from anyone. You removed material verifiable to Billboard that you said you couldn't find, even though a link was provided. Why did you not resolve these when they were raised? You've also removed material from early life that is routinely found in reliable biographies, and then abandoned discussion of that point. And by the way, Diddy had 7 Grammy nominations in 1998 according to a NYTime source that is no longer in the article; the article only mentions 5 of them. Gimmetoo (talk) 05:29, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Diddy Day: Sorry, I'm not seeing any discussion on May 29. There were no posts to the talk page or edits to the article on that day, so I am unable to reference your concern using that. I did find where you had noted an incorrect date for Diddy Day had been entered into the article at one point, but it is correct now (October 13, 2006). If there's something you feel is unaddressed about Diddy Day, I have no idea what it might be.
Cufflinks I am not disputing the fact that AP sent this story out on the wire; I spent quite some time on at least three occasions looking for another source for the material but did not find anything. The AP website does not give access to the story either. AP requires that all its subscribers remove the material from their websites two weeks after it is first published, so there is no archive copy at the Wayback Machine. So the link has been dead since November 2006. Sourcing requirements say that if no hard copy exists, and there are no web copies to be found, the information has to come out as unsourced. Sorry.
Children's book: The book citations were substituted as a way to cut down on the number of citations in the article, thus making it a little smaller and leaner and easier to load. It's a hundred-page book for the teen market with footnotes and a bibliography, a perfectly acceptable source in my opinion, and I was also able to use it to source some other material in the article that had no sources prior.
Removal of material: Some material was cut to improve the article as a way to make it better. Sure, some peripheral properly sourced material was removed, but it was done as a way to improve the article in preparation for GA. We really don't need to mention in the body of the article every single award the man has ever received, and we really don't need to list the chart positions for every single record ever released by him and by everyone ever affiliated with him. That's not what makes for good, engaging prose. There's probably enough material for a sub-article about the awards Combs has received, but someone else will have to tackle that project; I'm not interested.
Grammy nominations There's a chart at the bottom of the article that lists all nine grammy nominations.
Early life: Here's the early life section as it appeared in early May, the day before my first edit to the article:

Sean Combs was born in a public housing project in Harlem, New York City, the son of Janice, a model and teacher, and Melvin Earl Combs.[2][3] He grew up in Mount Vernon, New York. When Combs was a child, his father, aged 33, an associate of Frank Lucas (the New York drug lord), was shot to death in his car at a Manhattan park after attending a party.[4] Lucas and rival gangster Nicky Barnes both publicly state that they were close to Melvin.[5]

Combs played football at the Roman Catholic Mount Saint Michael Academy. In 1986, his team won a division title; he graduated in 1987.[6][7]

Combs said that he was given the nickname "Puff" as a child because he would "huff and puff" when he was angry,[8] and "Daddy" was another version of "playa".[9]

And here's the way it appears today:

Sean Combs was born in a public housing project in Harlem, New York City,[2] and brought up in Mount Vernon, New York.[3] His mother Janice was a model and teacher's assistant,[2] and his father, Melvin Combs, was an associate of New York drug dealer Frank Lucas;[3] he was shot to death while sitting in his car in Central Park West aged 33, while Combs was a child.[4]

Combs graduated from the Roman Catholic Mount Saint Michael Academy in 1987. He played football for the academy, and his team won a division title in 1986.[5][6] Combs said that he was given the nickname "Puff" as a child because he would "huff and puff" when he was angry,[7] and "Daddy" is another version of "player".[8]

So the only difference is the removal of peripheral material about Combs' father. The phrase "after a party" was removed. Nicky Barnes did not discuss a relationship with Melvin Combs in the quoted source (only Lucas mentioned him), so I took it out. Here's what the source says:

FL: At least Nick knows the names. I don’t know none of them. I know Puffy Combs, because of his father.

NB: Oh, Melvin! Melvin Combs.

FL: Melvin used to be at my house a couple of times a week. I’m proud to see Melvin’s son like that.

-- Dianna (talk) 16:42, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Diddy Day & cufflinks: The "key to the city" material is from a story published by AP. You don't dispute It, and it correlates with other material. The cufflinks, in particular, are mentioned in a number of sources that are still available online. This was already brought up (and link provided) on May 27.
Children's book. The issue, as mentioned when it was brought up, was the replacing of cites. There is no need to "cut down the number of citations", and doing so degrades the article. This should have been discussed on the talk page, and certainly when the issue was raised.
Removal of material. You claim now that you removed material as "improvement", but in many instances the material was removed with an edit summary or comment alleging it was "unsourced", when it wasn't, or could easily be sourced. Removal of sourced material, especially when the removal was disputed, required discussion.
Grammy awards. Days after I pointed out that reliable sources (e.g. [1]) say the subject received 7 Grammy nominations in 1998, the article still lists only 5 nominations for 1998 [2].
Early life. Refers to the party thrower/promoter content, which sources refer to as context for the 1991 CCNY incident. Gimmetoo (talk) 03:51, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── You don't really have anything new to say here, and neither do I. I stand behind the choices I made, and the article has now attained GA status. -- Dianna (talk) 03:57, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

  • I checked out the Grammy nominations and the website used as a source shows five Grammy nominations in 1998, not seven. This website also lists five. -- Dianna (talk) 14:28, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
    • NYTimes clearly says seven in 1998. Here's another [3]. At least one of the missing two is probably for being the producer on Life After Death, also nominated for rap album. The other could be for producer for "Honey" (doesn't seem to be credited on "Butterfly"). Gimmetoo (talk) 04:09, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
      • I did some pretty extensive searching today and could not find anything about these other two. You edit more on this topic than me, so maybe you will have better luck finding this information. It's surprising that the Grammy website does not archive the nominations (only the winners). -- Dianna (talk) 05:03, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
  • I have put the cufflinks back in using a source that covers both things.
  • I think the book is a perfectly acceptable source, and it has contained information I was not able to find online. If you don't agree that it's a reliable source, please post an inquiry at the reliable sources noticeboard.
    • My concern was primarily the replacing of sources. Time, USA Today, Rolling Stone are good sources for the entertainment industry, and available online. Adding new sources would be fine, but replacing good sources with a juvenile-target offline source doesn't seem like an improvement. Gimmetoo (talk) 04:17, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
      • I do understand what your point is; I just don't agree with you. -- Dianna (talk) 05:03, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
  • I have put the party promoter thing back in, right before the description of the 1991 incident. It does give some context to the event.
  • Sorry some of my edit summaries were inaccurate in that they did not describe all of my thought processes. So here's my complete edit summary for this edit: "I can only find a source for the chart position for one of these four songs. This Billboard website is sure annoying and hard to use. If I only have a source for one, then I'll have to cut the other three. Well, that's silly. I think I will cut all four. These lists of songs and chart positions are boring anyways, and are of little value to the reader."
  • Not every piece of information that we are able to source necessarily belongs in the article. We have to be selective about what is included. I think the article is fine as it stands. Now that I have compromised and re-added some of the content as requested, I politely suggest that it's time for you to give some thought to compromising too and backing down on this point about the chart positions for various songs. -- Dianna (talk) 19:11, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
    • I'll think about it. Celine Dion, an FA, has peak details for songs. Gimmetoo (talk) 04:09, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
      • Peak positions for singles from debut album. "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down": #1; "It's All About the Benjamins": never charted; "Been Around the World": #2; "Victory": never charted. I gotta log off now. See you tomorrow. -- Dianna (talk) 05:03, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sean Combs/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Bruce Campbell (talk · contribs) 02:45, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

I'll be reviewing the article. Bruce Campbell (talk) 02:45, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Early life
There are a few stray lines and sentences throughout the article that could be combined. Combine the last two line of texts in this section, the ones that begin "Combs graduated from the Roman Catholic... " and "Combs said that he was given..." into one so the section instead has two paragraphs.Green tickY
Same little issue here; combine the part that goes "After dropping out of Howard University..." and "In 1991, Combs promoted an AIDS" as one. Neither is really too specific to need its own paragraph.Green tickY
1997–1998: "Puff Daddy" and No Way Out
Put reference 22 at the end of the sentence, after "March 9, 1997."Green tickY
"The album produced five singles. "I'll Be Missing You", a tribute to The Notorious B.I.G." -> The album produced five singles; "I'll Be Missing You", a tribute to The Notorious B.I.G.Green tickY
Reference "Producer Tom Morello supplied guitar parts and played bass." - couldn't find a source; removed. -- Dianna (talk)
1999–2000: Club New York and Forever
"In April 1999 Combs was charged with assault as a result of an incident with Steve Stoute of Interscope Records. Stoute was the manager for Nas, with whom Combs had filmed a video earlier that year for the song "Hate Me Now". Combs was concerned that the video, which featured a shot of Nas and Combs being crucified, was blasphemous. He asked for the video to be pulled, but after it aired on MTV on April 15, Combs visited Stoute's offices and injured Stoute." = reference this section atleast once more.Green tickY
2001–2004: "P. Diddy" and The Saga Continues
"A collaboration with David Bowie appeared on the soundtrack to Training Day, and he worked with Britney Spears." = reference this, also mention in what way he worked with Britney Spears.
Combs was a producer of the Training Day soundtrack; I am amending the content and adding a source (Billboard). It looks like he worked informally with Spears when she was having trouble with a drinking problem; I can't find anything career-related, so I will take it out. -- Dianna (talk)
"Acts that got their start this way include Da Band, Danity Kane, Day26, and Donnie Klang." - reference this line pleaseGreen tickY
2005–2009: "Diddy" and Press Play
"The album features guest appearances by Christina Aguilera, Keyshia Cole, Mario Winans (signed to his label), Nas, (of The Black Eyed Peas), Mary J. Blige, Nicole Scherzinger (of the Pussycat Dolls), Jamie Foxx, Fergie, Big Boi (of Outkast), Ciara, Twista, Just Blaze, Pharrell, and Brandy." = Other albums on this article don't go into as much detail on the guest list; only mention the most notable artists on the project.Green tickY It's just too much detail; I will summarize. -- Dianna (talk)
Business ventures
Combine the "In 1998, Combs started a clothing line, Sean John..." and "The clothing line was subject to controversy... " parts into one paragraph since they both discuss the same line.Green tickY
Combine the "Combs responded with..." and "In late 2006..." parts since they both also discuss the controversyGreen tickY
Move reference 84 to the end of the line, after "Bar Refaeli in its advertisements."Green tickY
Reference the MOBO Awards nomination. -- Not done; I can't find a source, so sorry. I will remove the content for now. -- Dianna (talk) 17:47, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
The section doesn't mention his Emmy or Teen Choice Awards, or some of the other awards mentioned at [4] but they're not overly important. -- Not done; perhaps if someone makes a list article in the future, it could be added then. -- Dianna (talk)
The section could potentially be split into its own article per its length, which could be an easy featured list. But it's not relevant to the review.
Ref 2 -> it's Forbes, not Forbes magazine. Publisher is Forbes publishing.
Ref 7 -> work is Daily News (New York) and publisher is Mortimer Zuckerman.
Ref 13 -> work is Rolling Stone and publisher is Jann Wenner.
Ref 17 -> it's iTunes, not
Ref 19, 21, 36, 43, 58, 60, 61 & 73 -> work is Billboard and publisher is Prometheus Global Media
Ref 25 -> publisher Amazon
Ref 28 -> It's RIAA, not
Ref 29 -> work is People, publisher is "Time Inc.. (Time Warner)"
Ref 30 -> Wikilink Entertainment Weekly, publisher is Time
Ref 31 -> work is Los Angeles Times, publisher is Eddy Hartenstein
Etc. A majority of the references aren't done properly, and 98 is dead. If you want I could help with the references myself. If you need a reference of what is wrong with some of the references, take the Watch the Throne article as an example.
Overall the article is really good. If these corrections are all fixed along with the reference problems, the article will be passed. Bruce Campbell (talk) 05:14, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
I've tweaked the references you've mentioned and some similar ones, and will tidy further. Terima kasih (thank you in Indonesian;), Br'er Rabbit (talk) 10:10, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm gonna jump in here for just a second and ask a quick question about the Billboard refs. The publisher for Billboard was Nielsen Business Media, Inc up until 2010. Would articles published before then still list Prometheus Global Media as the publisher? Torchiest talkedits 13:48, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

The information was actually drawn from the website, not the magazine, if that matters, and if I am looking at it today, would I not use the current owner as publisher? Also, I have hunted for an alternate source for the information from Citation #98 (keys to the city) and couldn't find anything reliable. The material did not archive on the Wayback Machine; something about AP requiring the content to be removed after two weeks. A fansite was the only confirmation I could find. I will remove the material and the citation as there's no way to verify it any more. The other recommended citation work has been completed and is ready for review.

I think I have addressed all the concerns listed above, and am ready for the work to be checked. Thank you so much for taking the time to review the article. -- Dianna (talk) 17:47, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Excellent work on the changes, however, there are still more referencing errors.
I went ahead and took care of them myself since it's just easier to fix them myself than tell you how to fix them, and then have you fix them... and then have to check to make sure they were fixed. Etc.
The lead also needed some work, to much of it was about his nickname and there wasn't a single mention of his actual albums. I went ahead and just quickly added something better fitting.
I think it's now up to GA standards. Passed. Bruce Campbell (talk) 21:25, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, Bruce! A great review that led to some nice improvements to the article. -- Dianna (talk) 22:08, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Recent additions about Tupac incident[edit]

I have twice removed lengthy additions about the Tupac incident. It's not a good idea to add so much content to the article about this incident, in my opinion. It gives undue weight to this one event compared to the size of the article, and it implies that Combs was responsible for the incident. We have to be very careful what we say here or we may be in violation of the biography of living persons policy, which could put Wikipedia in a bad position legally. The content should not be re-added for that reason. The editor who added it very likely has a conflict of interest. Please don't re-add it without coming here to the talk page first to discuss. Thank you. -- Dianna (talk) 03:23, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


Someone should add details about his new channel Revolt (network) (talk) 17:11, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Than k you for the tip. I will add it right away. -- Dianna (talk) 17:21, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Why not let Gimmetoo do it for a change? Malleus Fatuorum 17:25, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Acting Section[edit]

They should be seperated from his music pursuits. Cause I know he had a roles in Monster's Ball, Get Him To The Greek and in CSI Miami. I was about to add it in but was all put in his music section.Justwisted (talk) 15:22, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Everything directly related to the entertainment industry is in the chronological "Career" section, whether it is acting or music business. Other ventures such as his clothing line are in the "Business ventures" section. -- Dianna (talk) 18:49, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

He also acted in Hawaii Five-0 season 1 episode 21 "Hoʻopaʻi" in 2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justbones (talkcontribs) 07:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Age Anomaly ('Background information' box)[edit]

If he was born on 4th November 1969, he'll be *43* now- not 42. ( -: (talk) 14:35, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

You must have been viewing a cached version of the page, as I am seeing age 43, even when logged out. Please refresh your cache and let me know if there's still an anomaly. Thanks. — Dianna (talk) 14:58, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, indeed you are right! I do see 43 now- I thought later that it might have been a cache-related issue (OpenDNS)- I wasn't really sure at the time. OpenDNS can be a pain at times. Thanks for taking the time to answer my query. ( -: (talk) 23:51, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

== Fragrance deal with MAC division of Estée Lauder Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page). — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:18, 18 April 2014 (UTC)