Talk:Seattle

Nirvana

Nirvana is not from Seattle

Technically true, Nirvana formed in Aberdeen, Washington. However they are best known (made famous) through Seattle, so that part of the section stays.

Hmmm. The article says Cobain spent his "formative years" in Seattle. He seemed kinda formed to me when he was living in Olympia after leaving Aberdeen, but maybe he got reformed when the band moved to Seattle. Clearly, fixing this weaselly bit of mis-implication would just result in someone changing it back, so I'll let the youth of America be misled by Wikipedia.

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Cobain lived in Seattle for roughly 18 months, therefore, to call Nirvana a "Seattle" band is quite inaccurate and non-encyclopedic.

The entirety of both Bleach and Nevermind were written in Olympia, Washington, and Kurt often chastised others (myself included) when we dared suggest that they were a Seattle band. His retort was always "We are not from Seattle, we are from Olympia!"

As such, I do believe that the Wikipedia article should at least attempt to be accurate.

Sup-Pop was a Seattle label, but Nirvana was not a Seattle band. In fact, before Nevermind broke, Nirvana was often rejected by the Seattle music establishment. Roxy Codone (talk) 19:29, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

An interesting perspective from someone who knows the Pacific Northwest, but not from a global perspective. "Seattle" represents the whole NW music movement from the late 80s. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)

It represents that to you, to others, it does not. Are you familiar with K Records? How about Kill Rock Stars? Very integral to NW music, but not in Seattle. I think you need to remember that Wikipedia is not infotainment or a cultural platform. It is supposed to be factual. Encyclopedic. Simple declaring that Seattle = The PNW music scene because that's what you saw on MTV or read in Melody Maker actual plays to a mainstream bias that is usually rebutted by more authoritative sources. Roxy Codone (talk) 20:27, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Precipitation

Most of the precipitation falls as drizzle or light rain.

This is incorrect. By volume, most of Seattle's rain falls as moderate rain or downpours. In November, Seattle is the rainiest large city in the USA by both inches and number of days. It places quite high in December and January as well. Seattle gets many days of heavy rain in the Fall and Winter, and this heavy rain accounts for a significant amount of its yearly accumulation. Days in which only light precipitation or drizzle falls, accumulation amounts are typically less than .1". Obviously, this cannot account for the majority of rainfall that Seattle receives, for if it did, it would have to rain every day of the year for us to reach 36". Roxy Codone (talk) 19:38, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Here is a chart that might help clear up the misconceptions on both sides of the "it rains all the time"/"it only drizzles" myth.

http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?waseat

Seattle gets 155 days per year of rain. 94 days see moderate rain, 61 see light rain/drizzle, 27 days see moderately heavy rain, and 5 days see very heavy rain.

If you examine charts of cities such as New York, Washington DC and Atlanta, you will find that Seattle is not far behind in the number of moderate/heavy days of rain. While the East tends to get heavy rain shows in the summer, we tend to get them in the Winter. After the winter is over, we tend to get a misty drizzle for a month or two in Spring, but this drizzle results in very little rainfall accumulation (often trace or .01").

Just as it is inaccurate to say that it always rains in Seattle, it is also inaccurate to say that it is rare to get heavy rain in Seattle, and that we get most of our rain from drizzle.

The fact is, we get most of our rain from the same sources as everyone else. Moderate rainshowers which occur on nearly 100 days per year. The drizzle we get is on top of moderate showers, not in place of them.

The reason our total inch numbers tend to be lower than places like NYC, is because we have a dry season in which it does not rain at all for 3-4 months. However, were you to take the other 8-9 months, and extrapolate their averages over 12 months, you would find that we would get the same, if not slightly more rainfall than the East Coast.

Heavy rain is not rare in Seattle, and we get very little of our rainfall totals from drizzle. Most of it comes from moderate-to-heavy rain showers which give way to light drizzle from March - May. 107.62.150.238 (talk) 01:28, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

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I believe that rain is normally measured in millimeters, even when there are hundreds of them, not centimeters. See Precipitation_(meteorology)#Measurement, for example, or State of the Climate: National Overview.   Will Beback  talk  02:33, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Ooops. Some of them already had centimeters, so I thought it didn't matter! Jeancey (talk) 02:37, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Normally, you'd be right to convert inches to centimeters. But meteorologists have made a habit of using millimeters for precipitation.   Will Beback  talk  02:42, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Regarding an edit by 174.31.245.226 in September 2011 changing the last year of a 6+ daily snowfall in Seattle from 1990 to 1996: While some places around the Seattle area may have seen more than 6 inches of snow on one day in 1996, the official measurement at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport reached a maximum of 3.5 inches in 1996, on January 19. The 14 official days (1/1/1950 was in the database twice) where snowfall reached or exceeded six inches at the airport since 1948: 20.0" on 1/13/1950, 14.9" on 1/27/1969, 10.0" on 1/26/1950, 9.3" on 12/31/1968, 8.9" on 12/23/1965, 8.8" on 12/26/1974, 7.9" on 1/25/1972, 7.8" on 11/21/1985, 7.6" on 11/27/1985, 7.0" on 1/29/1969 and 2/28/1962, 6.8" on 1/1/1950, 6.3" on 2/17/1990, and 6.0" on 3/1/1989. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.214.36 (talk) 09:50, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the 6"+ snowfall amounts. January 18, 2012 must now be added to the list of number of days with more than six inches of snow at Sea-Tac. The official climate report lists 6.8 inches of snow at the airport as of 5pm, which currently (assuming no more after that time) places 1/18/2012 tied with 1/1/1950 as the 12th snowiest calendar day at the airport since 1948 and snowiest since November 27, 1985. This means that the sentence stating that Seattle has received only 6+ inches of snow 14 times in its records (since 1948 at the airport), and none since 1990, must be restated to read 15 days (and only once since 1990?). I would reword this myself but can't seem to edit the page right now. 24.19.214.36 (talk) 06:18, 19 January 2012 (UTC) Okay, I was successful in making edits necessary because of the 1/18/2012 snow in Seattle. 24.19.214.36 (talk) 06:53, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

New aerial photos

I took a bunch of aerial photos of Seattle in the last couple of months. Leaving some of them here in case anyone wants to integrate them into the article. Also, if anyone has suggestions for aerial photos I'm open to taking new ones. Jelson25 (talk) 15:31, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Downtown and the Space Needle

An aerial view of Downtown Seattle

Seattle, Lake Union and Mt Rainier

Religion in Culture

Seattle is notoriously an anti-religion city, yet several large churches have changed that trend, which is significant. Seattle was considered to be the least churched city in the USA, in contrast to the Jesusland of the south. This should be called out at part of seattle's cultural section, with a religion subsection. Mars Hill Church is the largest church in seattle, and has recently displaced seattle as the least churched city in the usa, and may be worth noting, as well as some of the other large megachurches. This would add value to this page that seems to be lacking. There are several large churches on the east side of seattle metro such as East Lake and the City Church which have several athletes and local celebrities in their attendance that are significant sources of culture. I suppose I'm not sure what is the correct place or format to add something like this to this article. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.34.158.233 (talk) 05:48, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

NYT resource

Seattle Bans Plastic Bags, and Sets a 5-Cent Charge for Paper by William Yardley published NYT December 20, 2011

99.19.40.211 (talk) 07:46, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Media

I feel as if a section should be created to list the times in popular culture in which it was used. Such as in the show Frasier and Grays Anatomy as well as the countless movies and tv shows of prominence that have centered around the city. Maybe just a mention somewhere of the top ones. --Greg Nevers (talk) 16:28, 1 January 2012 (UTC)