Talk:Second Amendment to the United States Constitution

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... of individuals ...[edit]

In the lede - "...protects the right of individuals[1][2] to keep and bear arms."

Uh, well, this is a disputed interpretation. I think it would be better, in the lede, for the wikipedia to not stake out this claim, that it is a right "of individuals". For most of our history, this amendment was considered a right of states, rather than a right of individuals. There is a great deal of complexity in this statement as currently made, that is covered lower in the article, but I think, in the lede, that the less specific statement "protects the right to keep and bear arms" would be more appropriate.

Comments? Since this is a highly volatile subject, I toss it out for discussion rather than boldly make the change. Ratagonia (talk) 20:07, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

The current legal interpretation is that the right is that of individuals. See District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago. In those decisions, the Supreme Court rejected the claim that the right was of the States. Finally, for most of American history the amendment was considered to be protecting an individual right. SMP0328. (talk) 20:26, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
I second what SMP0328. said, the current legal interpretation is that the right is that of the individuals. There are supreme court rulings and citations to back it up. If some people disagree with the interpretation then thats their opinion but the supreme court ruled that it is an individual right and that makes that the supreme legal interpretation. - SantiLak (talk) 20:38, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
The lead is fine the way it is. In this context, it actually doesn't matter much what the history is. It doesn't even matter what the text of the amendment is. What matters is what the Supreme Court says the amendment means.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:41, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
Quite frankly, the lede currently reads as a propaganda piece for those wishing to promote a particular point of view. Supreme Court interpretations change over time - it's the amendment itself which should be the focus of the lede. Nwlaw63 (talk) 14:50, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Court of Appeals Section[edit]

In this section there is a list of Court of Appeals decisions. I believe it does not serve much of a purpose. I propose replacing it with a section discussing the proper level of scrutiny (intermediate scrutiny, strict scrutiny, etc.). This section would consist of articles and Court of Appeals decisions. What level of scrutiny should be applied comes up in most Second Amendment cases. So how the Courts of Appeals deal with this issue is relevant to this article. SMP0328. (talk) 07:20, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

The page Firearms case law needs to be fixed then a short summary here. J8079s (talk) 02:12, 25 December 2014 (UTC)