Talk:Second Amendment to the United States Constitution

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2nd Amendment[edit]

This article is not correct. I have looked on many law sites to only to find that many things cited on here are incorrect. Please correct. The right to bear arms as an individual is not what the second amendment is all about. It is for protecting ourselves through the proper channels, like Coast Guard, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.64.21.50 (talk) 16:47, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Not according to DC v. Heller which says that it does guarantee the right to bear arms to an individual. This isn't a place to advocate for your own interpretation of the 2nd amendment. We have to follow what the courts have said. - SantiLak (talk) 01:03, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Not according to the people who authored it, either. It was definitely an individual right. There is absolutely no question whatsoever about that. Madison himself (the author of the 2nd Amendment) even stated that it was a way for the people to prevent tyranny by the federal government.Vbscript2 (talk) 14:33, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Plagiarism in 'Ratification Debates'[edit]

A significant portion of this article's text in the 'Ratification Debates' section appears to be directly lifted from a 1999 court ruling. While it's a good source, the body of the text does not make it clear that the text from "A foundation of American political thought..." down to the end of the 'Ratification Debates' section is a verbatim quote of the ruling in USA v. Emerson, 1999. - Vbscript2 (talk) 14:39, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2015[edit]

The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects the Human Right Self Defense Human Right Self Defense This right protects our right to defend us from murders and rapists. It's a basic human right. It's based on [Law.] Ai6pg (talk) 06:03, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done Request not in "please change X to Y" format. -- haminoon (talk) 08:09, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Objective scholarship[edit]

If you do a little research, you will find that Stephen Halbrook is not an objective scholar of the 2nd Amendment but was in fact paid by the NRA to produce a number of articles favorable to the private right view which its more radical members espoused. See "The Incoherence of Antonin Scalia", New Republic, 8/24/12; Bogus, "Heller and Insurrectionism" 59 Syracuse L.Rev. 253 (2008); Bogus, "The Hidden History of the Second Amendment", UCDavis L.Rev. 31 (1998) 309, notes 36-38.71.222.44.154 (talk) 07:44, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

There is an interesting article here that validates the ip's claims. It appears that the sections need to be reshaped to show that he is representing pro-gun arguments with consideration given to the weight of his claims relevant to the weight of other claims. Winner 42 Talk to me! 15:08, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
The article in no way validates the claim of the IP. GregJackP Boomer! 16:48, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
  • OK, first let's identify the refs you (the IP) are using:
  1. Richard A. Posner, The Incoherence of Antonin Scalia, New Republic, Aug. 24, 2012. Nowhere in this review of Scalia & Garner's book does Posner mention Halbrook, the NRA, paid editing, nor anything else in your assertion. It's a book review by an outspoken opponent of Scalia and a long-time proponent of gun control. Yet Posner also authored the opinion declaring the gun ban by Illinois unconstitutional citing Scalia in Heller, see Moore v. Madiagan, 702 F.3d 933 (7th Cir. 2012).
  2. Carl T. Bogus, Heller and Insurrectionism, 59 Syracuse L. Rev. 253 (2008). Again, nowhere does this article (actually from a symposium talk) mention Halbrook, the NRA, paid editing, nor anything else in your assertion. Second, the article is discussing the alleged endorsement in Heller of the right of the people to rise up against the government, a view which has been uniformly rejected by other scholars, at least as far as this article (it was only cited by 8 others according to Westlaw, 6 per Lexis, even Google Scholar only lists 13).
  3. Carl T. Bogus, The Hidden History of the Second Amendment, 31 U.C. Davis L. Rev. 309 (2008). Again, nowhere does this article mention Halbrook, the NRA, paid editing, nor anything else in your assertion. I'm not really sure what this pre-Heller scholarship has to do with this, but a 1998 article espousing a position completely repudiated by Scalia and Alito (and echoed by Posner in Moore) doesn't seem to be good scholarship either.
Halbrook, on the other hand, has both a PhD and a JD, and has argued (and won) two gun control cases at the Supreme Court. If you want to discredit Halbrook, this isn't the way. GregJackP Boomer! 16:40, 14 May 2015 (UTC)