Talk:Second Raid on Schweinfurt

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Article Qualit[edit]

This sounds more like a bedtime story than an encyclopedic article. I think it needs a thorough rewrite with proper sources. 84.56.146.148 22:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Claims[edit]

"Bomber crews claimed to have shot down 138 German planes" Soemone put "(False)" after this. Do they mean no such claim was made, or that it was wrong, which is in hte article? Rich Farmbrough 14:33, 23 October 2005 (UTC)


The summary line, to say the least, is a spectacular understatement.--Buckboard 10:25, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

correction of misleading term[edit]

The damage to the bombers is attributed in part as being caused "(more by AA-guns than the Luftwaffe)". It's important to note that the AA defenses in Germany at that point in the war manned by Luftwaffe ground units. It is more correct to say the damage was done "more by AA-guns than by fighter aircraft". I will make that change.

Sailboatd2 13:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

There exists differences between Allied air crew claims and German records in that Allied crews claimed all planes shot down but Germans only claimed it as being shot down if it crashed and killed the aircrew. If the pilot survived, it was not considered a loss. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.204.182.171 (talk) 15:16, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Marienburg is far from Schweinfurt and at the beginning of the article there is nothing said about another force that went at this day in this direction, why mentioned here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.238.205.140 (talk) 22:29, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Picture[edit]

The exact same picture is used for the first raid.Could someone look into it? --Sam 02:54, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Results[edit]

This section of the article seems to be concerned with an entirely different operation, a raid on Gdansk, Gdynia and Marienburg, not with the Second Schweinfurt raid! It should be reviewed.

--84.226.146.251 (talk) 12:16, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

The section content was replaced wholesale sometime in 2011. I restored the previous text. howcheng {chat} 02:52, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Losing Air supremacy ?[edit]

It is being claimed that the effects of this raid in 1943 caused the US Air Force to lose "air supremacy" over Germany for several months. I would dispute the assertion that the US Air Force had achieved "air supremacy" over Germany prior to this raid. Have a look at the definition of air supremacy. For one side to have achieved "air supremacy", the other side must be suppressed to the point of being ineffectual. In 1943, that was not the case. Tallewang (talk) 07:03, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

It was. Cause and effect. Heavy losses, inability to sustain operations, failed strategy (thanks to flawed intelligence). Dapi89 (talk) 18:56, 30 August 2014 (UTC)