Talk:Second Sino-Japanese War

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Editor need to be able to read Chinese

"只有中国共产党，才能最澈底的领导全中国的工农兵学生以及一切劳苦群众向帝国主义国民党进攻。日本侵掠东三省的事变，不但丝毫不能减轻中国共产党向国民党统治的进攻，而且却正相反，正因为这些事件，中国共产党将加倍努力去推翻帝国主义的工具中国国民党在中国的统治！"

To IP user:130.126.8.78, the above quotation is taken from wikisource, if you read the full text, it is very clear that 共产党 did not call for it's Red Army to fight, instead, they called for united action to overthrow the KMT government, the then legitimate government. Arilang ^talk 12:48, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

>Implying that being from Wikisource means anything significant at all, so that WP:V, WP:N and WP:UNDUE can all be overlooked as a result -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 13:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

wikisource is not a reliable source- Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources, and by the way, why is every single one of your quotes in simplified? Are you from mainland China? if you are, you have a a very distorted view of the KMT, because Dr. Sun was far from being an american puppet. Dr. Sun praised Lenin and said he was a great leader. You have a seriously distorted view of the KMT, which , by the way, proclaimed that Manchu's were one of the five nationalies of china, equal to the other nationalities. Those of us who are from taiwan and other places familiar with the KMT know that not everything in its ideology is geared toward anti communism, in fact, Dr. Sun said that the KMT was to be socialist. But those of you from the mailand, who are oppressed by the Communists, have this misconcieved idea that just because the CCP hates the KMT that every single one of their policies is different?Дунгане (talk) 15:47, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Not that it really matters as per WP:ADHOM, but as far as I know Arilang is either from Hong Kong, or is an overseas Cantonese speaker. Just saying. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 17:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

As far as I know, CCP don't hate KMT, they hate KMT under the leadership of Chiang Kaishek.Wo.luren (talk) 01:09, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

User Benlisquare, regardless of either Wikisource is a reliable source or not, no one can deny that "中国共产党为日帝国主义强占东三省第二次宣言" is a reliable secondly source. And this info is ever more relevant today, as the CCP of China still put forward the view that CCP was the "Leader" of military actions against the Japan Imperial Army. You and me know that the military arm of CCP was 红军, the Red Army, which had never been in active combat with the Imperial Army. Arilang ^talk 03:31, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but the WP:BURDEN still lies on your shoulders, does it not? -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 03:46, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Muslim and Ethnic Minority Section is too long

While this section offer valuable and reliable information on what's happening in western China, but the fact is that western China is not a major front of this war, therefore this section's current length needs to be shortened. I propose writing a summary on this topic and create a separate article for main article reference. Please offer your opinion, thanks. DCTT (talk) 05:32, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree. The role of Muslim troops in the second Sino-Japanese war was rather limited, yet this is the longest section in the article. This seems excessive to me and creates the appearance of somebody writing with an agenda.

Note that I am not saying that Muslims had no role in the war, nor that there should be no mention of them at all; only that they are being given undue weight. I have not tried to trim down the section; it seemed appropriate to discuss the issue with other editors first. But I have flagged the section. Yaush (talk) 15:18, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm personally not much of a deletionist; would splitting into a separate article be an option? -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 23:53, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

That, or create an article on Islam in World War II. The latter seems like a reasonable article topic and this section would be an appropriate part of it. Yaush (talk) 01:12, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian), Hitler_religion#Islamic_and_eastern_religions.03:59, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I think we can make use of all the information in the current section to create a new article, with article title open for suggestions. One option is adapting the current section title such as "Muslim Jihad against Japan during the Second Sino-Japanese War". DCTT (talk) 16:03, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

(indent) I guess we can move it to a main article, and leave only a small section on the SSJW page with a small, brief mention, along with the { {main|article name}} template, so that the SSJW article doesn't end up too long. Possible titles can be Muslims during the Second Sino-Japanese War, Minorities of China during the Second Sino-Japanese War, Actions in Western China during the Second Sino-Japanese War, Western China theatre of the Second Sino-Japanese War or Military actions of the Ma Clique during the Second Sino-Japanese War. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 23:09, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Western China theatre of the Sino-Japanese War sounds good to me. Arilang ^talk 10:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Although I would prefer/recommend a title such as Western China theatre of the Second Sino-Japanese War (or Western China theatre of World War II; and similarly Western China theatre of the Chinese Civil War for similar CCW topics on Xinjiang and Tibet), even though the term makes a lot of sense, since it is rarely used in other publications, I think it may violate WP:COMMONNAME or WP:OR. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 12:29, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Video

Battle of Changsha, The Hump...

(1)Battle of Nanking (2) Massacre of Nanking (3) Space For Time (4) 30 million Chinese moved West for 2000 miles (5) Factories, schools, hospitals, railways, all moved west.

1937 documentary film recording the Chinese army fighting against the Japanese invasion.

Questions:(1) Which section would be best for this video? (2) Could the content be used as a source for this article? Arilang ^talk 09:29, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

the high point of their cooperation came in 1938 during the Battle of Wuhan.

But Battle Wuhan doesn't inform about Chinese Communists. Xx236 (talk) 12:58, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Muslim General?

Maybe it is my lack of knowledge, but why is it important that some key persons are described as "Muslim Generals"? Is this a special kind of officer? Or has one muslim been editing this article, just to put undue weight to the involved muslims?Jeff5102 (talk) 15:06, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

The Muslim generals were a specialised faction. See Hui people. I don't think you get Chinese history. See Ma Clique. elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (be free) 04:16, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for showing these articles. Interestingly, the history of all these articles show that the term "Muslim General" did not occur in them until the summer of 2010, when User:Labnoor started to make his edits. It looks suspiciously like WP:ADVOCACY, I must say.Jeff5102 (talk) 08:48, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

It's important to know that many Muslim generals were loyal allies of the KMT (contrast the other generals involved in the Central Plains War, but many of their provinces were not strictly ruled by the central government. elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (be free) 02:29, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

He may be biased, and maybe he can be watched, but my misgivings are not strong. Cultural pride shouldn't inhibit editing in an area. elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (be free) 02:32, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

It is a few moths ago, but just let me say that you are right. But would you be so kind to watch his edits, and act in the case that his biases woulfd get problematic? Thanks and regards, Jeff5102 (talk) 15:38, 15 January 2012 (UTC)