Talk:Security cracking

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Regarding the cracker/hacker debate. I feel the word cracker is pejorative and POV. Of course, it should be mentioned that some people call people who hack into computer systems with the permission of some soi disant authority call hackers "crackers", or whatnot. An example of a POV error is saying it is incorrect to call a so-called cracker a hacker. According to whose authority? If we go by the Wikipedia common names rules, the mainstream media almost always calls people who break into computer systems hackers, not crackers. So who is this authority saying the pejorative term crackers should be called hackers? It's not common usage, it's pejorative, and it's POV. You can mention some people call them crackers, but it is not a "fact" that to call hackers hackers is incorrect. And yes, I know hackers like Steve Wozniak do stuff like design computer systems. Actually, Steve Wozniak used to design blue boxes to make free telephone calls from Bell as well, so he was a hacker in terms of "unauthorizedly" hacking Bell, as well as hacking the Apple together without any authority getting mad at him. Long John Silver 01:31, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

According to most people, the monitor is the computer and the computer is called the "CPU". So is it POV to use the correct terminology? Those who are in the field get to define technical terms. As for pejorative, yes of course its perjorative. Most crackers are lowly lifeforms (Morris isn't, but that's because he wasn't primarily a cracker). Do you want to call a robber something else because robber is 'pejorative'? Arvindn 03:09, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Please, the According to most people, the monitor is the computer and the computer is called the "CPU". argument is ridiculous, as there is a definitive source for their names; the people who have created these products. The term "hacker" though is one that has had a long evolution to it. The meaning of the word has changed, only the "hacker/cracker"ists seem to refuse to accept this. --Golgo13 14:19, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

All you guys suck! Hacking is a compassion, not a sport or doing something for fun. I hacked Comcast Cable Company over a dozen times, and the security for Comcast sucks because the alphanumeric passwords are so damn predictable. I didn't hack it do cause damage, but to demonstrate to the company how many flaws and vulnerabilities in their systems. Any way, me and my buddies are planning to hack wikipedia. We already working on getting pass the firewall. Are group is called Patrol Hackers. So, in a couple of days, wikipedia will be down forever! Patrol Hackers rule! you all suck! --WomanKiller45 16:21, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

X-D -- 13:18, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

There are as many outside sources (media, popular culture writers) that define hackers, as there are many different sub cultures which call themselves hackers... There are no real hackers anymore since so many different groups call refer to themselves as such why ranting that ___x___ group isn't hacker because of ____y____. Many who were currently refering to themselves as hackers claimed all they did was for learning (the famous "hack to learn, not learn to hack" quote) and that anyone who was malicious was a "cracker"-- an already in-use term for those who crack software... so called and so claimed hackers ruined the terms hacker, cracker... At least the media is much more consistent in refering to hackers, as those who gain illegal access...

And Kevin Mitnick is not considered to be a cracker by anyone who contributed to the Kevin_Mitnick article. I'm removing this incredibly incorrect link now.--So Hungry 21:42, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

You people should consider more the origin of these words... Hacking and cracking do have defenitions that predate all that was written on these sites. I suppose all present on these sites at the moment consists of media-based missunderstandings of original meanings. The original meaning for Hackers being (if I can put this right) "the ones who master the computer know-how" and Crackers "the ones who are capable of altering binaries to achieve alternate functionality". The way the defenition of "cracker" was recoined is almost the diametrical opposite of the existing defenition and the record here should be set straight as soon as possible. --DustWolf 18:12, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
This is interesting etymology, and would go into that section. The current usage of the word (yes, media, sadly, does shape how we use words...) and wikipedia's articles define the term in its present usage, although the case here is that there are multiple meanings cracker has... Such as: script kiddie, malicous/immature hacker, deragotive name for a hacker(s), and of course, the one it was before all these, someone who breaks copyright seals on software by using reverse engineering (dissassembly). I belive that all usages should be covered, and it should be stated that the word cracker (when applied to some sort of adept computer user) has different meanings, and a sentance or two describing each...--So Hungry 20:23, 1 October 2005 (UTC)