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Comment[edit]

I moved it back to "Serbian American": this is the way there are all the other articles on ethnicities in the US. bogdan 23:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

RELIGION[edit]

I have never met a roman cathlic serbian....serbs are not roman cathlic, please edit this...it's offensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.167.248.217 (talk) 03:08, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I have. SovietCanuck (talk)
HAHA. I'm a Catholic Serbian. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 19:01, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
You used "cathlic" twice. Anyways, this article is not about "Serbs" its about "Serbian American". The latter group having less religious and genetic cohesion than the former due to marriage with members of other ethnic groups. Just a simple observation. Somewhat case in point - George Voinovich. He is a Roman "Cathlic". 70.171.46.92 (talk) 18:53, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Notable serbs[edit]

Please add the most notable serb, Nikola Tesla —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.150.84.106 (talk) 12:48, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


THIS CAN´T BE REAL!!!!!!!!!![edit]

wtf???? This can´t be the truth more than 5.Million serbs??? Sorry but this is very hard and worse propaganda!

Yugoslav Americans and 2005 Data on Serbian Americans[edit]

Why do we not add the Yugoslav Americans to this group as well? Naturally, there would be a note as a wiki-disclaimer.70.171.46.92 (talk) 18:55, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Number of Serbian Americans is higher for 2005 than 2004. Please refer to "http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/IPTable?_bm=y&-reg=ACS_2005_EST_G00_S0201:558;ACS_2005_EST_G00_S0201PR:558;ACS_2005_EST_G00_S0201T:558;ACS_2005_EST_G00_S0201TPR:558&-qr_name=ACS_2005_EST_G00_S0201&-qr_name=ACS_2005_EST_G00_S0201PR&-qr_name=ACS_2005_EST_G00_S0201T&-qr_name=ACS_2005_EST_G00_S0201TPR&-ds_name=ACS_2005_EST_G00_&-TABLE_NAMEX=&-ci_type=A&-redoLog=true&-geo_id=01000US&-format=&-_lang=en" . Here you will see that its ~169-170 000 people.

As for Yugoslav Americans - see "http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/IPTable?_bm=y&-reg=ACS_2005_EST_G00_S0201:585;ACS_2005_EST_G00_S0201PR:585;ACS_2005_EST_G00_S0201T:585;ACS_2005_EST_G00_S0201TPR:585&-qr_name=ACS_2005_EST_G00_S0201&-qr_name=ACS_2005_EST_G00_S0201PR&-qr_name=ACS_2005_EST_G00_S0201T&-qr_name=ACS_2005_EST_G00_S0201TPR&-ds_name=ACS_2005_EST_G00_&-TABLE_NAMEX=&-ci_type=A&-redoLog=true&-charIterations=016&-geo_id=01000US&-format=&-_lang=en" 70.171.46.92 (talk) 19:08, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I think the first one is a good source but not the second. Yugoslav Americans suggests the other ethnic groups of the former Yugoslavia would be included and that would not be the same as Serbian American.Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 19:24, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
I disagree on the basis that so much personal experience points to the fact that it was almost exclusively Serbs who believed in Yugoslavia. Naturally, this is not any kind of evidence, but I do have an factually based point as well. Serbia is the successor state to Yugoslavia, the big one and the Serbia-Montenegro one. The data was collected after the disintegration of Yugoslavia and the recognition of Serbia as the successor state. So by following this line to the successor, if that makes sense, then the ethnic Yugoslavs are ethnic Serbs. Yes, there are flaws with that. But I really think that we should present the numbers of Yugoslavs in America and give a slight explanation as to why we're presenting them. Its called Yugo-nostalgia and many Serbs are characteristic of it. A neurologist in Toronto was saying how he has many Serbian patients in his practice - although the delusional ones still say they're Yugoslavian. I found it to be funny. :-) 70.171.46.92 (talk) 20:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I think the fact that you admit that there are flaws supports the fact that the first cite should be used. Also "personal experience" borders on original research and thus can't be used. Still if your info is verifiable, it could lead to another section to discuss these points, but we will need sources. My problem with your theory is that my own experience as a Serb has never involved other Serbs I have known refering to themselves as "Yugoslavians". Even when the nation still existed when I was a child, my grandfather corrected me when I called myself Yugoslavian and told me I was Serbian. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 21:09, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I will attempt to find the necessary sources. On a related note, in the Yugoslavs article there are a few sentences indicating that my suggestion is right. However, I realize that this falls under the "Other Stuff Exists" wikipedia rule. Especially, given that there is no source directly demonstrating the claims of the article.

These are the few sentences from the article: It was estimated, according to comparison of census statistics (such as declared language), that Yugoslavs came mostly from within Serbia. It is also suspected that many to have declared themselves as Yugoslavs will have at some time - either previously or later - declared themselves Serbs.XJeanLuc (talk) 09:20, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I think the key words there are within Serbia meaning that there are Serbians in Serbia who refer to themselves as Yugoslavs but not exactly in America. Also the later sentence of that paragraph backs up my point: "In the 2002 census, 49,881 inhabitants of the Serbian province Vojvodina declared themselves as "Yugoslav" (at a time when Serbia was part of the country still called FR Yugoslavia)." Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying your idea doesn't make sense, but I'd rather have at least one source to back it up. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 13:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I think that many Americans are simply ignorant about their ancestry and world events so this would explain why there are still a significant number of people who declare Yugoslav ancestry. It's not a political statement (that they are opposed to the breakup), instead its ignorance (they never asked their grandparents what part of Yugoslavia they were from and/or they may not be aware that there no longer is a Yugoslavia). --Tocino 07:39, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Um...I would disagree considering that animosity between Serbs and Croatians in America continued to exist during my grandparents time and they made pretty damn sure I knew I was Serbian (hard to ignore it actually with my name). Also my experience has shown that most Americans do have a good grasp of their ethnic heritage so I'm not sure where you are getting your information that they are not. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 13:00, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Considering that many Americans can't even locate this country on a blank map, I doubt these same people would know anything about Yugoslavia and what happened to it. I am from the South where the majority of whites declare "American ancestry" instead of Scots-Irish, English, Scottish, Irish, German, etc. which is what most actually are. As time goes on, more and more people will probably declare American ancestry. --Tocino 20:55, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Considering the regional differences between the south and other parts of the country, I'm not surprised that most people are declaring an American ethnicity (to the rest of the world that is who we are anyway), but that does not mean the entire country is like this because it ignores the various ways people express there ethnic heritage (holidays, heritage months, professional and educational organizations, various ethnic neighborhoods in various cities, etc.) across the country. To think that Serbs, Croatians, Bosnians, Slovenians, Macedonians, and Montenegrons in Americans call themselves Yugoslavs because of ignorance does not have a basis in fact and the example of Americans not being able to find this country on a map is an extreme example for Americans obvious problem with geography. Unless you have a source to back this is up that should not be a reason added to this page. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 21:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I never said that it should be added to the article. I was just floating a theory out there. Sorry I bothered you. --Tocino 03:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

History[edit]

Does anyone know of a good place to get information in writing a history section about Serbian Americans? Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 13:22, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

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Tom Selleck[edit]

According to the article, Tom Selleck is a Serbian-American, but I find no such information on the Tom Selleck article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Selleck where it says he is of Scottish and English ancestry. Aleksandar Bulovic' (talk) 00:41, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Category:American sportspeople of Serbian descent[edit]

Liz Read! Talk! 02:57, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Number of Serbs?[edit]

Real number seems to be not much below 200 000, and it is appropriate to add that some of Yugoslavs are probably Serbs, HOWEVER, number of Serbs in Chicago is not even near number of 400 000 and this should be deleted. There is source - Blic article - but not relevant at all, there is no any proof only some estimate by Serbian comunity, but again without any proof. Its only myth made by Serbians. Serbs in Chicago make maybe 0.3% of population - and even that is high estimate.