Talk:Sergeant Reckless

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Geer book[edit]

Geer's book is available in a Kindle version from Amazon.PumpkinSky talk 11:44, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Picture; coordinates[edit]

It would be great if someone could source or take a picture(s) of the statue, and find its coordinates, and those of the plaque at the stables. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:37, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

The statue is PD70. I asked the sculptor for a release. PumpkinSky talk 13:43, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
You Americans and your weird freedom of panorama stuff ;-) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:17, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
I agree, FOP is stupid. PumpkinSky talk 17:41, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

100 all-time heros[edit]

Not so good sources say Reckless was on Life magazines 1997 list of 100 all-time heros, but I can't find a really good ref for it. Online Life archives only go to 1972. PumpkinSky talk 22:59, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

FOUND IT!. It's in that video, with photos of the actual magazine pages. Neat stills and video clips in that video too! PumpkinSky talk 23:20, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Extra "}}" that shows at top of the article?[edit]

the }} first shows up in this edit [1] but dammed (joke) if I can find it. Smallbones(smalltalk) 19:13, 29 July 2013 (UTC) (don't worry, I'm from Philly)

Problem with the infobox template, fixed now. Froggerlaura ribbit 19:36, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Official Rank?[edit]

I know that the linked article says that Reckless is the only animal given official rank, but the USMC's bulldog mascots also seem to be awarded rank as well. This provides a recent example. Here's some more on the subject. We might want to shift some of the wording...maybe to "Reckless was an early example of military animals being given rank." Intothatdarkness 16:18, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

I see Chesty Puller appears again. I'll let you and PumpkinSky sort this out, as the claim is part of the hook I've proposed for DYK, so we may need to be sure we have our ducks in a row before it hits the review. Montanabw(talk) 18:05, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
I would think you could safely frame it as "A horse named Reckless attained the rank of sergeant in the USMC." without having a claim to being the first or only animal so promoted. That leaves some wiggle room. Intothatdarkness 21:59, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Agree, we need wiggle room. I'll change both.PumpkinSky talk 22:26, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Sounds good. I know one article says that she was the 'first,' while another remains silent. Best to avoid the issue, I think. Nice article, BTW! Intothatdarkness 22:29, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
I added Purple Hearts too.PumpkinSky talk 22:30, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Berry's Rank[edit]

Just to avoid a 3RR (being careful here, not part of a dispute or anything nasty), we might want to take the "Scout" away from Sgt Berry's rank. The USMC never used the rank "Scout Sergeant." What I suspect is that the original source combined his role in the platoon (platoon scouts) with his rank. The same thing happened at a couple other spots in the article, and this looks to be the best way to deal with it. Thoughts? Intothatdarkness 18:03, 1 August 2013 (UTC) - Already taken care of...ignore. Intothatdarkness 18:07, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm feeling quite pleased with the excellent collaboration on this article and have no issues with bold edits, if we think someone screwed the pooch, we can jut revert and discuss. So far the only conflicts we've really had are edit conflicts. (The wonder of using good source material, isn't it an amazing thing when we verify as we go? ;) )Montanabw(talk) 23:04, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
There's no such rank as Platoon Sergeant either. The military does this all the time, combines roles/positions with ranks. I'm not so sure it's a big deal. Geer, a Lt. Colonel in the 5th Marines, called Latham a Platoon Sergeant (both in Caps) most of the time. PumpkinSky talk 23:21, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
At one point the Marines did use the rank of Platoon Sergeant, but it had been phased out by the start of Korea. There is a position of platoon Gunnery Sergeant, though. So that format's correct. No worries, though. It's looking good. Intothatdarkness 13:50, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sergeant Reckless/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Dana boomer (talk · contribs) 21:51, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Finally getting around to reviewing this article...should have my full review up by late tonight. Dana boomer (talk) 21:51, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
    • Per WP:LEAD, the lead should be larger: perhaps two paragraphs? Her military career especially could stand to be fleshed out in the lead.
    • I think I'll leave that for MTBW, she's better at that than I am. PumpkinSky talk 22:57, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
    • Origins, "The horse was originally named Ah Chim Hai in Korean,[6] which translates to "Morning Flame" or "Flame-in-the-Morning",[7][8] reputed to be the name of her dam," - She had the same name as her dam?
    • Yes, she did have her dam's name. PumpkinSky talk 02:32, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
    Took a stab at it today. PumpkinSky talk 20:27, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
    ITD helped too. PumpkinSky talk 22:15, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
    MTBW just did her part. PumpkinSky talk 23:23, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    • Who is the real publisher for Giaffo, Lou "Gooch's Marines"? The Google Books page says that it's Dorrance Publishing, which appears to be a self-publishing company. RoseDog Books appears to be a bookstore. If the book is self-published, what makes Giaffo a reliable source?
    • As that material all has other sources, I've moved that to Further Reading and cut the refs for it. PumpkinSky talk 22:54, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
    • Military service, "When learning a new delivery route, Reckless would only need someone to lead her a few times. Afterwards she would make the trips on her own." Source?
    • It's in the Geer book and it's made very clear. Hopefully I can find the page number with Kindle search function. PumpkinSky talk 03:00, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
    • On pages 181-183 and probably a few other spots. I found it searching for the word "alone". Ref added. PumpkinSky talk 22:49, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
    • Good catch! The source was wrong and it's fixed. I checked her commons cat and that's the only image that had that error. PumpkinSky talk 22:50, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
    Overall, looking good. A couple more comments above, but that should take care of the majority of the work to be done. Once the above are addressed, I'll take another read-through, but at this point the article is very close to GA status. Dana boomer (talk) 01:57, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Redid and expanded the lede. Hope it's an improvement and we are good to go! Montanabw(talk) 23:08, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

OK, I've re-read and everything looks good. Sorry for taking a few days to get back to this. Now passing to GA status. Nice work! Dana boomer (talk) 21:40, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
No problem, Dana. We all have real lives. Thanks for the great review, article is much better. I love Reckless' story, I love it! PumpkinSky talk 21:47, 31 August 2013 (UTC)