Talk:Seven deadly sins

Table

Catholic Seven Virtues is lacking some information. --121.54.96.3 (talk) 14:52, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Why are only six sins listed in the summary?

The opening paragraph says "The final version of the list consists of wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy."

There are only six sins here. Shouldn't "gluttony" be here too? 115.128.64.250 (talk) 04:46, 15 May 2010 (UTC) 15/05/2010

Greed as a "secular psychological concept"

From the article:

 As a secular psychological concept, greed is an inordinate desire to acquire or possess more than one needs or deserves, especially with respect to material wealth.

How is what one deserves a secular concept? This is a matter of justice, something outside of the realm of secular psychology. 75.146.55.1 (talk) 20:14, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't really see why justice is either secular or non-secular. I'll reword. --Merlinme (talk) 08:15, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Deservices is in the eye of the deserver. The deserver is different in different religions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.81.65 (talk) 23:57, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Anger/Wrath

Every so often, I see editor changed Anger to Wrath, and vice versa. Could everyone please stop doing that? It seems like this may be some sort of slow moving edit war. Does anyone have a rationale for why it should be one way or the other? Or is this just a difference caused by different Biblical translations, and thus is simply a matter of personal preference? Qwyrxian (talk) 06:13, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Relation

There seems to be some relation to the five poisons and Arishadvargas in Hinduism and three poisons in Buddhism. Possibly a historical connection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.219.178 (talk) 17:20, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source that verifies that connection? Qwyrxian (talk) 00:55, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

I can't say that I have but then again I only stated a possible connection. If we look at it logically then the fact that Hinduism is 1500 years older than Christianity and five of the six Arishadvargas feature in the seven deadly sins (pride, jealousy, greed,lust and anger) may hint to Christians adopting these ideas into their religion. Also the five poisons in Buddhism sometimes include sloth as well. Its only an observation, i'm not stating anything as fact.

Can't add it to Wikipedia without a reliable source I'm afraid, otherwise it's just your opinion, i.e. Original Research. --Merlinme (talk) 15:58, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Suicide as Wrath

Right now the article says, "In its original form, the sin of anger also encompassed anger pointed internally rather than externally. Thus suicide was deemed as the ultimate, albeit tragic, expression of hatred directed inwardly, a final rejection of God's gifts."

I've been looking for a source for this, but haven't been able to find anything. Does anyone know an authoritative source for suicide-as-wrath? Running From Zombies (talk) 14:15, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm not aware of one. The text should probably have a ^{[citation needed]}, to be honest. At one point the whole article was full of unsupported claims, although it has got better. "suicide-as-wrath" may be a reasonable view of Christian doctrine, but it needs support from some reliable source, e.g. a history of the Christian view of suicide. In the meantime I would treat the assertion as dubious until proved otherwise. I'll add the ^{[citation needed]} now. --Merlinme (talk) 16:07, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Wrath vs. Anger

i think wrath = 'orgy of anger' (since it translates as 'orge')? so wrath is better? Natmanprime (talk) 03:05, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

First we need a reference, second, as far as I know, different translations use different words...I wish we could find out which term is more common in reliable sources. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:42, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

FUBAR

The title of the article is Seven (7) deadly sins. There are NINE (9) listed.--Mark v1.0 (talk) 12:20, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your constructive input. --Merlinme (talk) 13:44, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

I would write a longer response, but from your original entry I can only assume you haven't actually read the article in full, where it explains how the seven deadly sins evolved from earlier lists with a larger number of entries and with some differences in the sins listed.

Describing something as Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition is always unhelpful, and in this particular case, wrong. If you have something helpful to say about the article, please say it. --Merlinme (talk) 14:29, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

-So you can't tell the difference between the number seven and the number nine ?--Mark v1.0 (talk) 18:45, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

If I could step in and stop the bickering--Mark v1.0, what Merlinme is saying is that if you read the article you'll see that at all points in history there were 7 Deadly Sins, but that exactly which 7 sins were on the list has changed over time. Thus, that section lists both the "current" as well as some historical ones that are no longer part of the "standard" list. Qwyrxian (talk) 01:24, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

-Yes I understand there is an explanation, there is always an explanation. The story of why does not change the fact that the title of the article does not match the content.--Mark v1.0 (talk) 00:44, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Sauerkraut and wiernerbrachwursten (sausages) ... seriously?

"The devil is in german also called "Die Apfelteufel des alten Sauerkraut", and it is judged by the international committee of Wienermärchen that it derivers from the southern part of Germany around Munich. In the fairytales the devil usually scares away small children and afterwards sprays white powder in their eyes, making them instantly fall asleep. When the child is asleep, the devil picks up the kid and wanders around with it in the local town, meanwhile singing the local south-german song "Ich lieben die Wiernerbrachwursten". This fairytale has been commonly accepted in southern Germany and Austria as true and disturbing." I'm sorry but this sounds very implausible, is there anyone who can verify any of this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.83.112.52 (talk) 23:16, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Removed as unsourced nonsense. Thank you for noticing this. It was obviously vandalism. --Saddhiyama (talk) 23:23, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Pride/Vainglory, Sloth/Acedia

Shouldn't all the evolving definitions be grouped together under the modern and most widely-used names, rather than being separate sections? Right now the list comes off as if there are nine deadly sins, and the naming scheme is tremendously inconsistent.70.34.147.3 (talk) 02:23, 17 February 2012 (UTC)