Talk:Sex change

Regarding "Sex change in humans"

It has occasionally been asked why the content on "Sex change in humans" is here at all, and it has been removed or severely shortened a few times, too. However, the term "sex change" is more than well-known; it even keeps appearing in newspapers and other media. It is therefore to be assumed that people who are rather uninformed about these matters would look up "sex change", and therefore, the article should contain this information. Also, several other articles reference this article specifically for an explanation of why "sex change" is an problematic term when applied to humans. Therefore, this content has to remain, unless somebody can come up with a really good reason to remove it. -- AlexR 06:35, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Transfered

The following discussion has been transfered here from my talk page. Kelly Martin 07:25, May 28, 2005 (UTC)

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Never suggested removing it however it contains opinion, irrelevant and off topic material. Anything which is not fact should not be included in an article. In addition the wording of that is convoluted and almost impossible to follow. It was condensed and not mis-edited.

Then read the wording of what's there with what I replaced it with and see which is clearer, factual, and easier to understand. Attempting to justify an off topic fact is just as off topic as that subject.

I did read the wording of what you wrote, and I felt it was inferior. There were several grammatical errors, and factual information from the previous edition was removed without obvious reason (you feel it's off topic, I suppose; I disagree). Kelly Martin 06:51, May 28, 2005 (UTC)

I wrote:

Sex Change is a descriptively inaccurate term often used by society for gender reassignment surgery. 
It is also interchangeably used for the medical procedures inter-sexed individuals undergo, or more 
often are subjected to as children.

Off topic removed

Many people also see "sex change" as factually inaccurate. 
Sex in humans is usually determined by four factors:

Chromosomes 
Gonads (Ovaries and/or testicles) 
Hormone status 
Primary sex characteristics, sometimes also secondary sex characteristics 
Not all of these factors can be changed, however:

Chromosomes cannot be changed. 
Gonads can be removed, but not replaced 
Hormone status is easily changed 
Existing sex characteristics can to some extent be changed; existing ones mostly through surgery, 
non-existing ones can be induced to grow through hormones.
For example: Changing a male genital anatomy into a good or even excellent female appearing and 
functioning one is complicated, but entirely possible; changing a female genital anatomy into 
an even reasonably male appearing one however is extremely complicated and not successful very
 often; function is always limited.

My paragraph covered the inaccuracy of the term. Discussing how sex in humans is determined is not germane to this article and is thus off topic.

As for bad grammer that is what edit is for not revert. You should not attempt to use this to justify your reversion of the page to one with much worse grammer and which is much harder to read.

Clown Fish

Why in sam hill is there a picture of a clown fish? let alone the caption doesnt explain its relevance to the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.173.16.232 (talk) 09:34, 25 February 2007 (UTC).

No animals

I think the part with the animals should go to another article. A.Z. 04:25, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Defacement

Anyone care to block 90.190.170.246 from defacing ? --OPless (talk) 20:04, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Not really - there's not yet enough punitive value as all he's done is the usual harebrained test edit drive-by, crudely enough to be picked up by the bot, and little preventative value as he has no record of such things and has stopped for the moment. He's been warned, and returning to his deeds will drop the hammer. --Kizor 20:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

There's some activity from other anon IPs; the hammer will also be applied if these are connected. In other news, this edit has no formatting, can someone check if it's valid or in need of tweaking to integrate it into the article? --Kizor 20:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Regarding "Sex Change in Humans" & Shrinkage of Male Genitalia

The two year period of living 'full time', commonly known as the real life test has absolutely nothing to do with male?! genitalia. Contrary to popular belief, shrinkage is actually a bad thing due to the fact that it gives surgeons less to work with. If significant 'shrinkage' has occured due to bilateral orchidectomy or natural size, often when it comes to reassignment surgery, surgeons must perform a more complicated procedure that takes considerably more recovery time.

Nevertheless, this sub-section should be genderless, so I have removed the reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.42.110.125 (talk) 23:55, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Section expert

I keep trying to put the section expert template in the Natural sex change in humans section, but I can't get it. Georgia guy (talk) 20:11, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Have you tried asking at Expert Sex Change? :P But seriously, I followed Wikipedia:Cleanup to Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup to {{Expert-subject}}. What did you mean by "can't get it"? --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 15:43, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

I put in

This article needs attention from an expert on the subject. See the talk page for details. Consider associating this request with a WikiProject.

and a few variants, but none of them worked. Georgia guy (talk) 15:44, 23 January 2012 (UTC)