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I made some changes to the first paragraph according to the cited source . The influence of western religious thought isn't mentioned when it comes to homosexuality, however it does say that sodomy was removed from the penal code due to the influence of the Napoleonic Code. It also mentions that Confucian thought and Qing legal codes had some influence on Meiji period Japan (but not "since the end of 19th century"). 184.108.40.206 (talk) 01:01, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- Source is clear that Japan reformed its sex laws to make itself appear more "civilized" to western culture. I will find and source any material.AerobicFox (talk) 22:12, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Some suggestions for this page
Although I can't take on the tremendous project of editing this page, which in places would require extensive rewriting, I would like to offer some suggestions and corrections. These follow in brackets and bold within the original text:
Sexuality in Japan has developed separately from mainland Asia [???There is a mainland Asian sexuality?? This is news to me. So Thailand, Korea and China have similar views and practices? I really think not. This seems to me to imply that there is something deviant about Japan, which is an old, weary argument.], as Japan did not adopt the Confucian view of marriage [No? In what respect? Until recent decades, women were absolutely expected to be loyal and obedient to their husbands, which is the Confucian model of marriage.] Monogamy in marriage was not prized in Japan [Incorrect. It was an obligation for women, and an ideal for men as well, although men were generally (but not always) forgiven for extramarital affairs with courtesans], and married men often sought pleasure from their courtesans [Take off the 'their,' which implies multiple mistresses. Relations with courtesans were supposed to be monogamous, and a courtesan would fly into a frenzy if she discovered her patron was visiting another], even though monogamy was very important in Chinese marriage. Prostitution in Japan has a long history [it doesn't universally????], and [I would add 'in recent times'] became especially popular during the Japanese economic miracle, as evening entertainments were tax-deductible. Homosexuality in Japan was more common in ancient times [NOT ancient times. Late medieval and early modern periods] but taboo in modern times. Japanese pornography has a wide following worldwide and is translated and exported nearly everywhere due to its wide range of themes and media. Japan has a vibrant fetish scene particularly in the larger cities that has influenced many fetish communities worldwide. Decreased sex drive in the 21st century was blamed for the low Japanese birth rate and declining growth of the Japanese population.[This sentence doesn't match with all that goes before it, so needs either a preceding phrase (Nonetheless, ironically etc.) or more explanation: decreased sex drive within marriages.]
Historically pornography in Japan may have begun as early as the Edo period [Much, much earlier!! There is extant, painted shunga from the Heian period, and stonework penises and vulvas from even earlier ages] as erotic artwork referred to as shunga that was typically done on [as] woodblock prints. Between the 1920s and '30s in Japan there was a literary and artistic movement known as ero guro which focused on eroticism, sexual corruption and decadence.[Not actually pornographic though!] Softcore pornographic theatrical films known as pink films dominated the domestic cinema in Japan from the mid-1960s through the mid-1980s.
I'll stop here. I hope that someone can give this page a comprehensive workover.
- A few points:
- Sexuality in Japan has developed separately from mainland Asia [???There is a mainland Asian sexuality?? This is news to me. So Thailand, Korea and China have similar views and practices? I really think not. This seems to me to imply that there is something deviant about Japan, which is an old, weary argument.]
- There is sexuality in mainland Asia, the sexuality in Japan developed separately from it. Where is it implied that mainland Asia has a uniform sexuality?
- Japan did not adopt the Confucian view of marriage [No? In what respect?...
- In the respect that they were not Confucian as the Chinese and a lot of Korea was. The Tokugawa regime adopted neo-Confucian ideals to try and solidify their social status, but common Confucian practices and beliefs as a whole were not taken up by the Japanese people.
- Monogamy in marriage was not prized in Japan [Incorrect. It was an obligation for women, and an ideal for men as well, although men were generally (but not always) forgiven for extramarital affairs with courtesans]
- Men sought out prostitutes or had a courtesan. Monogamy is a two-way streak, if one party has affairs then monogamy is not being prized.
- married men often sought pleasure from their courtesans [Take off the 'their,' which implies multiple mistresses...
- Their is referring to the men and not the women. Courtesans should be changed to courtesan to imply a single one, and while I do not know if men had multiple or just one courtesan I believe courtesans had many men, so I am unsure about the validity either way.
- The rest is fine and can go ahead and be changed. Most of that does need to be rewritten anyways whenever someone feels free to getting around to it.AerobicFox (talk) 02:09, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Monogamy - quesiton
I have doubts about this phrase: "monogamy was very important in Chinese marriage". I got the impression (reinforced by the Chinese marriage article) that this might have been the case for poorer folk but the well-to-do almost always had a number of wives and/or concubines. Am I missing something here? Thanks. Bazuz (talk) 00:15, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
- I would think in most societies, worldwide, the well-to-do have nearly always had more wives, concubines, mistresses, and only very recently have we come to expect presidents, world leaders, and entertainers to adhere to a higher standard. Boneyard90 (talk) 17:50, 18 July 2011 (UTC)