Talk:Shōrinjiryū Kenkōkan Karate

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This looks wikified already, but it lacks contexts.[edit]

What is Shorinjiryu Kenkokan Karate? A Karate style? An academy? An organization? JoaoRicardo 04:38, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

JoaoRicardo: Shorinjiryu - is the style of karate-do>> Kenkokan - is the study and/or school of Shorinjiryu as presented and descending from Kaicho Hisataka Kori, and the Hisataka family.>> Various schools - Though each of the many schools listed, have different names i.e. Kenshin, Kentokukan, Kenyukai, etc. all of the schools politically function as distinct organizations. All of the schools have an intrinsic sense of "oneness", and as such, follow the same fundamental teachings and philosophies as was formerly taught by Kaicho Hisataka Kori.>> ONE MOTTO - "Spiritual Development of Individuality in Mind and Body" (Doko Gi Gyo Sei Ki)>> You may ask, "Why the separation of schools?" I can only answer, "we are all of the same SHORINJIRYU / STUDY". esta...Sayonara Hawthorne, Manny[1]

Article naming[edit]

Unless karate is a proper noun here (and I don't think it is, but I could be wrong), it should be changed to lowercase in the title of the article, or removed entirely and explained in the opening. Dekimasu 14:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the style's registered name is Shorinjiryu Kenkokan Karatedo. It would probably be appropriate to move this article to that name? Desparoz (talk) 00:10, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Why break (branch) away from the mainline of Shorinjiryu kenkokan? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.130.143.67 (talk) 02:11, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Descendent Schools[edit]

It appears that the contributor using the IP Addresses 166.64.3.2 and 166.64.1.2 is trying to drive a wedge between the "mainline" Shorinjiryu Kenkokan school and the various descendent schools. Whilst there have been various technical, organisational, and political reasons for the various separations over the years (as there are in all styles of martial arts), I don't believe it is correct to make the blanket statement that "These derivative schools and their founders and current chief instructors have diverted technically from the mainline Shorinjiryu kenkokan...". In fact, the teachings of the current headmaster have evolved significantly from those of the founder (the current headmaster's father). It is quite likely that the school and chief instructor that is technically closest to founder is the Shorinjiryu Kenyukai Watanabe-Ha school of Shunji Watanabe.

This is not to say that anything is wrong, or that one is better than the other. In fact, I hold Hisataka Sensei in the highest of esteem for his technical brilliance, and the contributions he has made to the development of budo and karate in general, and Shorinjiryu Kenkokan and Koshiki in particular. I also respect Watanabe Sensei highly for preserving the original teachings passed on to him. Having had the chance to study extensively with both, I am fortunate to be able to see important aspects of Shorinjiryu Kenkokan as it was originally taught by the founder, and how it has evolved. I am excited to be able to watch how it continues to evolve.

I don't believe that the wording of this statement is necessary. It appears to create conflict where none is necessary. Yes, there has been technical and organisational divergence in the various schools teaching Shorinjiryu Kenkokan. Some have maintained what was taught to them, so have added, some have changed. This is the nature of evolution in the martial arts, and it is an important part of ensuring the continuation of the style into the future.

Respecting that the anonymous contributor has best intentions of showing that there has been such evolution, I have changed the statement to read "Along with the mainline Shorinjiryu Kenkokan school, each of these descendent schools, their founders and current chief instructors have have continued to evolve organisationally, and in technique and teaching approaches. Some, such as the Shorinjiryu Kenyukai Watanabe-Ha school are relatively unchanged, while others have introduced new techniques, forms and training approaches. These descendent schools include:" Desparoz (talk) 00:43, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

A school of karate known as "UKB Kenkokan" has been added under the descendent schools section. UKB Kenkokan is a legitimate school of karate, but I don't believe it is correct to say that it is a descendent school of Shorinjiryu Kenkokan Karatedo. UKB Kenkokan, and its founder Mr Patrick McKean, have certainly been strongly influenced by Shorinijryu Kenkokan and its leader, Masayuki HIsataka, and Mr McKean has been graded to senior rankings by Mr Hisataka's World Koshiki Karate Federation (an open styles competition system separate from Shorinjiryu Kenkokan). I think it more correct to classify UKB Kenkokan as an "Influenced School", as Mr McKean and the UKB Kenkokan have strong roots in Shotokan Karate and Goju, as well as Shorinjiryu Kenkokan. A review of the UKB Kenkokan grading syllabus will bear this out[1]. I will make changes accordingly Des Paroz 20:49, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Interesting points. Mr McKean learnt most of his Shorinjiryu Kenkokan karate from Shihan Scott Brown. There doesn't appear to be too much information on the karate background and credentials of Mr. McKean, but we believe he was the receipiant of a number of honouary awards and grades from various people and he runs a professional karate school in Queensland Australia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.64.3.2 (talk) 09:29, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

  1. ^ http://www.kenkokan.com.au/gradings.html