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why is it allowed for the exiled assyrian community in the united states to disort the reality on the ground by seperating our kurdish nation into zazaki, yezidi etc i can not tolerate this and the sources , aina and christians of iraq have an anti kurdish attitude and try to seperate our people according to religious differences both yezidis and shabak are kurds and belong to the kurdish nation and they have fought alongside their kurdish brothers the assyrians pay people from the yezidi and shabak community to say that they are non kurds , but these are individuals , yezidis and shabak serve in the peshmerga forces , have contributed a lot to our culture and wish to be part of the kurdish region it may be true , that shabak are a mixture of kurdish and turkmen tribes and can be either seen as a distinct ethnic group , kurdish or turcoman , but in all they are more of a tribe or better confederation of tribes , you can find this kind of mixed kurdish and turkish tribes in turkey too, but in general, they consider themself to be kurd this is a well known fact all over the region . please , stop disorting the reality portraying tensions between kurds and shabak, shabaks are kurds and only because the majority of kurds in iraq happens to be sunni, it does not mean that other groups within the kurds like yezidis, faillis,shabak or kurdish christians are something else it is untolerable to reduce our identy to sunni islam and one or two dialects we are really a heterogen nation with differents dialects sometimes considered to be different languages and different believes but we have a common sense of belonging to eachother and again, i know some assyrian wish to establish their state in the niveah plains and try to protray the kurds living there , mostly shabak or yezidis as a differnt group but it does not mean, that is the truth. They are kurds —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.136.108.71 (talkcontribs)

I have lived a good amount of my years in the Nineveh plains and I did not met one Shabak claiming to be Kurdish. However, you are right about Yezidis (even thou some within their communities delcine their Kurdish edentity.) Chaldean 02:07, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

i provided links in which it is stated that shabak wre originally of kizilbash tribes wo have settled in kurdistan or northern iraq and mixed with kurds
why are they deleted
so what , i have seen shabak who claim to be kurdish
poersonal encounters are always not good
the fact remains , that they are generally considered as kurdish —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.136.104.153 (talkcontribs) 18:07, 25 November 2006.

The sad thing is, the voice of the Shabak is only heard from political leaders who have no knowledge in our history, and acknowledge it the way it will suit their political agenda. The shabak people have very little to say on the matter.

In a political sense, saying that Shabak are Kurds, essentially means that Shabak are loyal to Kurdistan rather than Iraq, that is not the case. Even though it is indoubtly a big connection between Kurds and Shabak (and most likely they have the same origin), they differ in a major aspect, Kurds consider Kurdistan their homeland, when Shabak consider Iraq.

Non-Kurds?![edit]

It's entirely nonsensical! Shabak or Shawak exactly is a Kurdish term (from Arabic "shafaq" شفق) widely used amoung Ahle Haq Kurds of Iran and Iraq in meaning of "light" (as the other Ahle Haq sects also possess the same names as "Atesh-Beygi" or "Beyg-Tashi/Baktashi" (Iranian "atash" ~ "fire") or "Alevi" (Turkish "flame"), and eventually "Musha'sha'i" (from Arabic "asha'a" ~ "ray").

Also almost all followers of Heterodox sects relating to Yarsan and Ahle Haq speak a variaty of Gorani (known as Zaza-Gorani). As well as Shabaks. Also since many Turcomans converted into these Heterodox Kurdish sects, there are a fair mix of Kurdish and Turcoman amoung religous community of Shabak.

No need to mention during Ottoman Empire and stinky period of "Religous Fascism" all Non-Muslim communities (no matter of which Ethnic Group) were bothered... Also Kurdish Sunnites had a steady instency on calling Non-Muslim Kurds as "Non-Kurdish"! But these have nothing to do with denying the common Kurdish origin (language, culture, religion) of Non-Muslim Kurdish Communities! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.38.13.174 (talk) 11:54, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Kurds?[edit]

hmmm i think the kurds are getting their revenge and this is kurdification, because shabaks are well known to be non-kurds.

Please sign your posts. ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 07:31, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Mistakes in Article[edit]

Since there is very little on Shabak in the Internet I cannot provide you with any sources (atleast that is accurate) from the internet. But what the wrongs in the article that I know for sure are those:

"The Shabak people is a Kurdish minority group of Iraq who live in the province of Ninawa."

We were never a Kurdish minority in all their history until 2003. Not even the kurds of Mosul claimed that. The only reason KRG would claim that is to claim more territory in Nineveh. In Saddams time Shabak (and other ethnicities) had to choose either to be Kurds or Arab, if there was a Shabak choice, then every one would sign Shabak.

"They are scattered in 35 villages located in the east of Mosul."

This site http://www.shabaknews.com/ mentions 46 villages.

"A large part of the Shabaks follow a faith, which has every characteristic of an independent religion and distinct from Islam. It contains elements of Islam, as well as Christianity and other religions."

I've asked my father, I've asked alot of reletives, I've asked sunni and shia shabaks, I've asked Bajalanis, and no one knows where that came from. This is what they tell me. Shabak are 75-80 percent shia and 20-25 sunni, and some are christians, although I don't know the scale. I read somewhere that they had those elements you mention, but that is not the case today. Today they are either sunni or shia.

"There is a close affinity between the Shabak and the Yazidis, and Shabaks perform pilgrimage to Yazidi shrines[3]. "

Bartallah is mainly christian, but still you have 1/4 of the population shabak, and since they live side by side with christians, they become bonded with christians. Then you have villages were shabak and yezidi live close, they naturally bond. This is usual with all etnicities in all Mosul and outside. I myself have never been in a Yazidi shrine, in my village Tobzawa, there are a numbers of Ahl al Haqq followers, naturally we would have close bonds with them (they actually claim to be shabak aswell).

"The word shabak also in Kurdish means light in the darkness which probably is a more proper name for a religious sect."

I can guarentee you that shabak IS NOT a religious sect. It is an independent ethnicity that is very close to kurdish (this is my opinion, many kurds would differ).

I hope you people check the facts before putting your google facts on Wiki. Under Saddam we were had to join the army if we chose an arab identity, and were percecuted if we chose kurd. Now we are again used, but for the purpose of the KRG. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.246.205 (talk) 07:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


"We were never a Kurdish minority in all their history until 2003..."

I'm entirely in un-agreement with you. Since all Iranian sources put both Bajalan and Shabak as "Close Kurdish Religous Minorities".


"I can guarentee you that shabak IS NOT a religious sect."

It's a flat fact that Shabaks are remarkable since their special religous ect close to that of Kakai and Bajalan Kurds. Also, for you knowledge NO Non-Kurdish people ever speak any Gorani dialect. I'm sure ure aware of Shabak speech being vraiaty of Hewramani (specially Kakai) Kurdish (a language different from Kurmanci-Sorani Kurdish) which has accepted many Sorani and Turcoman loans. (e.g Shabak/Hewrami/Sorani "min zelame me-ti" ~ "min piyawe me-winu" ~ "min zelame de-binim"). (78.38.13.218 (talk) 08:04, 30 October 2008 (UTC)).

Please sign your posts. ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 07:31, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

population[edit]

According to the United Nations figures in 2012 Shabaks population in all of the world to 450,000 people.تیراژه (talk) 07:55, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Both Shabaks and Yazidis numbered around 30,000 in the 1947 census.[1] since Yazidis vastly outnumbered Shabaks I doubt their numbers exceed 100,000.--Rafy talk 19:22, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Flag of the Schabak[edit]

i would like to add the flag of the shabaks.

http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.crwflags.com%2Ffotw%2Fimages%2Fi%2Fiq_shabk.gif&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.crwflags.com%2Ffotw%2Fflags%2Fiq_shabk.html&h=216&w=323&tbnid=-BPur-ANNTXChM%3A&zoom=1&docid=5BASQZdk6LeIgM&ei=S6tOU8WaOMidtQaR4oDIAw&tbm=isch&client=firefox-a&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=308&page=2&start=15&ndsp=20&ved=0CKABEK0DMBc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.240.97.30 (talk) 16:10, 16 April 2014 (UTC)