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Indifferent success?[edit]

What the hell does "indifferent success" mean? --User:Chinasaur

On Sham 69's pioneering chart successes, ahem...[edit]

"After being the first punk band with a Top 10 UK single, "If The Kids Are United",...."

Oh really? What about that (admittedly otherwise-forgotten) punk band known as Sex Pistols? Didn't they do a tiny wee bit of chart-bothering prior to 1978?

Some serious fantasising going on in this article as it stands...--DaveG12345 14:36, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


Macdonalds[edit]

I don't believe the Macdonalds story. The band's track If The Kids Are United was used on a Macdonalds ad during an early 1990s World cup, much to the band's chagrin (they didn't hold onto the licensing rights). I think the TOTP report was a joke, a deliberate insult or a mistake, or the wikipedien misheard; after all, Pursey was modelling for The Gap a few years ago! Also, much of this article seems sneering and POV. I will change it at some point, as the band's later history deserves a better hearing that it is currently getting, and their earlier importance as a genuinely working class punk phenomena needs expanding. Pursey probably deserves his own entry as well. Jmc29


re-Macdonald[edit]

I don't believe the Macdonald's story too. But i don't really know what Pursey's doing now...After going in their website, i just think that he continues to sing in Sham 69 and they are giging somewhere in England... I have a book that gives informations about Sham 69 an Pursey's story but it's old...(date from the 80's yeah!), so i don't know much more about him. :-( But this is not a wikipedien's misheard. I saw that rumour in few other sites too...But this wikipedien did another mistake... this page isn't alright: it's a copy from another text that i saw on internet. But i don't know how to put the advertise! So, if someone can do something to correct this article, do it please. Bobby Disgracious 14:04, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

When did they form?[edit]

Ok, so they broke up in '78, were "ressurected" in the 90s... there's one thing missing: WHEN THEY STARTED!!!

"bathroom stall wall"[edit]

This phraseology comes from the existing text of the main article. It will certainly bring forth laughter from English readers of the text, if not others too. Presumably we are talking about a lavatory wall here. Probably best to say so, otherwise half the world will think we call such things 'bathroom stall walls'.

Derek R Bullamore 23:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Were Sham 69 Skinheads?[edit]

Were they skinheads or were in support of the Skinhead movement? In the aticle it said that the the members were skinheads which led to influence oi & street punk. I have also heard they were skinheads from several people. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by John)nobody 768 (talkcontribs) 01:31, 24 December 2006 (UTC).

  • Judging by photos taken at various stages of their career, it doesn't look like they were actually skinheads, and the article does not claim that the band members were skinheads. However, many of their fans were/are skinheads. Also, skinhead is a subculture, not a movement. Spylab 17:23, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
They were very thin, if that's what you mean. -Ashley Pomeroy 22:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I attended a show in the 1988-89 era. I had no idea who they where, I was there to see an opening band (I was a teen). However, Nazi-skins came out in force, and they were not happy. Long story, told short, people were spitting at eachother and I rememember shouts of "You are not the real Sham 69." The show ended early, to my dismay. --SVTCobra (talk) 03:15, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

They were a punk band that happened to attract followers that included skinheads. There's a YouTube original 1979 video of them performing "Hersham Boys" - with one of the greatest intros to any pop song ever - here: [1] - note the few bars of The Sweeney theme tune at the end. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.4.57.101 (talk) 20:55, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Breakup & lineup[edit]

For the record, breakup and lineup are real words in the English language. I'm not sure if there is a geographic variation in the way they are spelled, but according to dictionary.com they can be spelled that way, or as break-up and line-up. My preference is to use the spellings without the hyphen, and that's the way I usually see those words spelled on Wikipedia Spylab 10:48, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:SHAM69-S.jpg[edit]

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Current Event?[edit]

Does this event still recquire to be classified as discussing a current event?Hammard 00:24, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Spam 69[edit]

I remember the opening chords/intro for "Borstal Breakout" being used in a TV ad campaign for Hormel Foods Corporation's Spam luncheon meat a few years ago. I sent an eMail to Pursey and Sham to inform them but received no reply. BigMeanie (talk) 18:02, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Breakup, really?[edit]

Hi, I just been to a Sham69 gig in Porto, Portugal. What is this story about a breakup, or did I just see fake members on the stage? :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.196.214.231 (talk) 10:15, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Recent post-breakup (2011) edits...[edit]

It would appear that there have been numerous POV-pushing edits to this article over the past month or so in relation to the recent breakup of Sham69 and subsequent reformation of one or more lineup(s) of the band, composed of various configurations of current/former Sham69 members. Looks to me as though people who either represent (or are) the various post-split factions are trying to have their version/opinion of the Truth as to who is the legitimate continuation of the band and what exactly happened with the breakup represented as the only one.

Could I just remind these fellows of WP:COI and WP:NPOV and suggest that they discuss this issue on here and attempt to come to a consensus as to how the article should read, instead of this slow, silent edit-warring? I'm talking to users such as MaxLondon (talk · contribs), Icw69 (talk · contribs), Ifone1 (talk · contribs), Shamdrummerex (talk · contribs) and whomsoever is editing using IPs in particular here. Thanks.

(For what it's worth, I have no particular opinion on who is right here - I don't even own any Sham albums that were released after 1980...) --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 23:03, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

The name Sham 69 is under the control of Jimmy Pursey, with Dave Parsons. Any lineup they put together with other band members they choose to call upon is the only band legally entitled to use the name Sham 69. Members of the recent (so-called Tim V) lineup have been issued with 'cease and desist' documentation indicating that continued wrongful use of the name Sham 69 will result in legal action against them for misrepresentation and passing off. Most of the users recently editing have been ex members of the band (some using multiple addresses) putting their own slant on events. I am attempting to keep everything accurate and neutral. - MaxLondon (talk) 10:18, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Looks good. BTW, don't you guys think that the one who had most personal issues with Pursey was Ian Whitewood, not Dave Parsons? See, if Pursey & Parsons had actually become enemies due to Pursey's negligence of the band's duties, would they play together in 2012 and even in their 1977 configuration? Compare the 2 line-ups: it's Ian Whitewood who is missing on drums in the first (original) line-up, so it seems he will never ever play together with Pursey. It's these two guys who had the most personal misunderstandings, so the BBC NEWS (on Jan 26th 2007) was not quite on the spot saying there was a "bitter fallout between Parsons and Pursey". -andy 77.190.21.70 (talk) 17:46, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
That seems to be speculation or original research, a published source would be needed for it to be included in the article. Peter E. James (talk) 11:05, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

As of June 2012, when Jimmy Pursey registered the name as a trademark, the only band entitled to use the name 'Sham 69' is the original 1977 Pursey/Parsons line-up [1]. The reference for this registration can be seen at [2]line-up anyone else using the name is misleading the fans. MaxLondon (talk) 18:20, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Recent edits do not appear to have improved the article. If it can be verified that there were two bands using the name, that can still be mentioned. The claim that "anyone else using the name is misleading the fans" seems to be opinion and not attributed to a source, and if there are still two bands, it may be more misleading to state that there is only one, and to imply that it's unnecessary to check which band is being referred to. Peter E. James (talk) 11:05, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Refactored comment from 2009[edit]

'Kings & Queens' album is not a compilation as such, but rerecordings of the old songs........Faren Short —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.28.243.54 (talk) 14:20, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Refactored comment from 2014[edit]

See the comment I posted re Dave Parsons in the article and correct it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.153.98 (talk) 15:34, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

  1. ^ [2]
  2. ^ Sham 69 text trademark