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RACIST[edit]

There's some RACIST stuff at the beginning. Can't get to it to edit it.

First, pls remember to put a heading on the comments so they don't end up over the menu. Second, on a quick glance, I don't see it, so it's prolly already been fixed. -LlywelynII (talk) 18:10, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The root name Shawnee is just a redirect to Shawnee (tribe). There's no reason to use the (tribe) disambiguation when the simpler root name is unused. --Kevin Myers July 8, 2005 13:51 (UTC)

Agree/rename, because the tribe is the most common use of the word "Shawnee" (and because other names exist for other articles with the word Shawnee, e.g. Shawnee, Kansas), the article on the tribe should take Shawnee, and Shawnee (disambiguation) should be used for all other articles with the word Shawnee (as it is). SwissCelt 8 July 2005 14:15 (UTC)
Agree The disambig page was originally at Shawnee, but I found that most of the links to the page were for the tribe. So I moved the disambig page to its current location and changed the redirect to the tribe. I probably should have just moved the tribe page at that time, but I can't recall anymore whether there was any reason other than laziness why I didn't move the page. olderwiser July 8, 2005 15:56 (UTC)
For what it's worth, if it ever comes up again, agree. =) -LlywelynII (talk) 18:10, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
I've done the move. Talrias (t | e | c) 20:29, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

Blue Jacket & native names[edit]

Folks, was it really so horrible to have "Blue Jacket's" native name (Weyapiersenwah) written in this article? I can accept that it's Wikipedia's policy to link English wikis with the English name. I don't agree, but I can accept it. Still, I see no need to wipe out that bit of knowledge from this article, just because there's a more commonly used name for him which he might not have even used himself. SwissCelt 06:51, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Absolutely. You do know you can like this , right? Or just have Blue Jacket (Cherokee: Weyapiersenwah) or vice versa. Then again, I see their point. It's really just trivia and is more appropriately included on his personal page. There's a whole Malcolm X line of argumentation about always preferring native names to common ones, but it's a political stance, not really helpful, and goes against Wiki policy. -LlywelynII (talk) 18:10, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Absentee Shawnee?[edit]

Saw mention of "Absentee Shawnee" somewhere. If anyone knows anything, I would love to see a bit of info on what the "Absentee Shawnee" were. Thanks. jengod 06:43, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

The Absentee Shawnee are one of the three federally recognized Shawnee tribes in Oklahoma.
Have their own article and this one explains some, but will improve it. They left Texas voluntarily. -LlywelynII (talk) 18:10, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Addition[edit]

Hi, i added a lot of stuff, the thing is, i couldn't verify most of it by the meaning of written words, most of my information comes from the internet. I tried to crosscheck the in formation from various pages to be a bit more on the safe side. if anyone has suggestions regarding the content, please let me know...

And please, as i am not a native speaker, look over the text for grammatical errors, as i am sure there are plenty.

Here are some of the links i used :

and of course the relating pages of wikipedia... --Larzan 17:15, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, wikipedia isn't a source & as for other ones, cf. WP:reliable sources. -LlywelynII (talk) 18:10, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Another question[edit]

Hi, I was looking for some information about book I have read, I just wanted to know something about tribe it describes and what was historical background, however it took more time than I expected (due to fact that my native language is written as it`s spoken and I couldn`t work out how keywords should acctualy be spelled). I found out that tribe is shawnee, but this makes that book wierd - because it takes place in northen Canada near Great bear lake, but it seems that shawnee lived in teritory of USA and author (book is about his childhood) claims that he is great grand son of Tecumseh. Well, book also tells about fiting with engish army (?) and that tribe were hiding for years until white people found them again, but I couldn`t find anything about that, so I still haven`t found anything about historical background. If you have some information about this please tell me about it on my talk page Xil 17:07, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

When the Iroquois drove the Shawnee out of Ohio, you didn't mention that portions of the tribe also fled to what's today Tennessee and Georgia, living with the Cherokee and Creeks. In fact, the Shawnee and Creeks still have some kind of religious agreement about the secret contents of certain medicine bundles, if you'll read the anthropology book Shawnee by James H. Howard. This book also has lots of info about Shawnee culture, history, and mythology. The Shawnee stories also include a lot of Southern influence.

Fort Ancient Culture[edit]

I have read elsewhere (e.g., on the Fort Ancients wiki page) that many archaeologists believe the Shawnee to be descendants of the Fort Ancients. Should that be mentioned here? Also there is no mention of the Shawnee's apparent relation to the Kickapoo. Thanks, Doppelbock 12:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Kymulga,Al[edit]

Listed as former site of Shawnee village here is link to that location where a gristmill and covered bridge are still located today. http://kymulgapark.tripod.com/ ~~willy76.200.209.128 20:33, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Shawnee In Kentucky[edit]

I believe that the Shawnee town of Eskippakithiki in Kentucky should be mentioned in this article, Black Hoof was born there. It is located in Clark County, Kentucky and also known as Indian Old Fields. The Shawnee attacks on Fort Boonesboro should most definitely be mentioned, especially the siege led by Dragging Canoe who was half Shawnee/Cherokee

I as a resident of Clark County and a decendant of Shawnee I would also like to let everyone know that Eskippakithiki is in danger of being totally destroyed by a highway interchange project. It needs to be protected and surveyed extensively. I can provide all historical research and archaeological surveys regarding this site. - 64.16.162.161 03:18, 10 May 2007 (UTC)Kevin Moody, Kmoody@warren-wilson.edu

Sorry I meant to put Blackfish where i wrote Dragging Canoe. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.16.162.161 (talk) 03:45, 10 May 2007 (UTC).

Category:Algonquian peoples vs. Category:Shawnee tribe[edit]

Category:Shawnee tribe is itself a category within Category:Algonquian peoples. — Robert Greer (talk) 22:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Shawnee[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Shawnee's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "jones":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 01:02, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

this is now fixed. -Salamurai (talk) 18:59, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Cornstalk's father[edit]

If anyone knows where the original information about Cornstalk's father (White Fish (Shawnee: Akulusska)) living and "holding court" in Shawnee Springs ca. 1754 came from, please ping me. I'm working on the Cornstalk page and trying to track down as many original sources as possible. Thanks MinervaK (talk) 23:35, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi, MinervaK. I don't know why I never saw this until now. My source for Cornstalk's father being headquartered at Shawnee Springs is a little book in my private collection called Winchester and Vicinity by L. Adolph Richards, M.A. M.S., published in 1953. What he has would actually place Cornstalk's father there in 1732 when Abraham Hollingsworth first purchased the land nearby where Abram's Delight was later built. He also states that Cornstalk was born and raised at Shawnee Springs aka Shawnee Cabins. He doesn't specify any other sources unfortunately, but this information is presented as part of a section of Hollingsworth lore associated with Abram's Delight, the oldest house in Winchester.
Not feeling this to be solid enough, I looked for confirmation using the google books search tools. And I did find one curious statement in the 1894 Magazine of Western History Vol. 19 p. 447, stating that in ca. 1750, the teenaged surveyor George Washington took Lord Fairfax to Shawnee Springs to meet Cornstalk for a friendly visit. Again the source for this source is not indicated. But, this tidbit at least seems consistent with Richards' information. I haven't been able to turn anything else up so far, but deeper digging may prove fruitful. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 05:21, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Langguth reference[edit]

What's the Langguth reference? Every appearance of the word is in citation of the format "Langguth, p. _" — a full citation is never given in any citation or in the bibliography. Nyttend (talk) 16:14, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Battle of Tippecanoe absent[edit]

The Battle of Tippecanoe in November 1811 is absent from this rendering of the Shawnee.Donalds (talk) 15:29, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

No Battle of Tippecanoe, and also unnecessary long quote[edit]

I was notified for disruptive editing, so here I am. Anyways, in the history section of this article, the quote from Tecumseh's speech seems extraneous. It doesn't add much information, and it's unusually long. In my opinion, we could probably just omit the quote altogether (this was the majority of my reverted edit).

As noted by Donalds, there is essentially no mention of the Battle of Tippecanoe in this article, despite that the fact that it's probably the most significant battle related to Tecumseh. Adding a paragraph about that (between the section on Tecumseh's speech and the section on the New Madrid Earthquake) would be nice. OmgItsTheSmartGuy (talk) 04:34, 28 January 2013 (UTC)