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Contents 1 No pictures 2 Number of Shi'a in Yemen 3 Shia Population in Pakistan 4 Beliefs edit 5 The second paragraph 6 Majority in Iraq?

[edit] No pictures

Why is there no pictures of Imam Ali or Imam Hussein or Imam Reza shrines? You put picture of mecca, and bahrain shias but not Iraqi/Iranian Shia pictures?

Please fix this immediately,and put a Imam Reza picture up.

Iranians are credited very much for keeping the faith alive, as well as building these mosques, it is upmost importance and of respect to give credit where it is due.

Put the pictures up please.

And thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.105.24 (talk) 06:41, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Number of Shi'a in Yemen

Here are sources stating the number of Shi'a in Yemen. Please include these statistics in the article.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/episodes/pilgrimage-to-karbala/sunni-and-shia-the-worlds-of-islam/1737/

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/topic,45a5199f2,45a5f8b22,488f180d1e,0.html

http://www.khaleejtimes.ae/displayarticle.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2009/September/middleeast_September406.xml&section=middleeast&col=

http://www.islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/shia_population.htm

[edit] Shia Population in Pakistan

I have repeatedly try to highlight the fact that the actual estimated Shia Muslim Population of Pakistan is far more then the given lame facts by UNCHR or CIA FACTBOOK. I am a have now finally provided references supporting my claim of the fact that Shia's in Pakistan make up about 25% or above, out of the total Muslim Population of Pakistan. Let me be clear about this that though Muslim are about 97% of Pakistan in this regard we are only estimating the Muslim population and the sect's in Pakistan. Hence the Shia are estimated to be more then 30 million out of 160 million. In future i would provide further references supporting my claim. I would likely mention two links supporting this. 1)http://www.imamreza.net/eng/imamreza.php?id=3591 and 2)http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=106508&sectionid=351020401---> the last paragraph.

According to the 2007 Pakistan Inter-Faith Society Dialogue in Karachi out of the total 100% of Muslims in Pakistan Shia Muslims are around 25-30%. Pakistan Bar-Council meeting with the Census Commission of Pakistan under the Interior Ministry repeated the fact that Shia Muslims were One-Third of Pakistan's population. And so it is acknowledged by many and also accepted by the Shia community of Pakistan. I came to know this through the Newspapers. <ref name="DAWN NEWS">

I would kindly request you all to stop changing the facts by relying on decades old facts from the CIA factbook and UNCHR. Kindly look for further independent references in this regard free from any political or religious pressures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paki90 (talk • contribs) 22:56, 11 October 2009

The statistics in question are neither "decades old" nor "lame facts" by either UNCHR or the CIA; they were published in October 2009 by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, a strictly non-advocacy organization. Since the Pew report, 'Mapping the Global Muslim Population: A Report on the Size and Distribution of the World's Muslim Population', would appear to be the epitome of a reliable, third-party, published source, I have reverted the article back. — Kralizec! (talk) 00:40, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

It seems we need a thorough revision in our policy of accepting single source for demographics (I myself have following this practice since the day I created democraphics sub-section on this articele and have been thorouhly defending the stance). We can have look on different sources and have average/mean/etc so that it can incorporate various estimates. We'll need statistical knowledge for this but I think this approach will result in more balanced and suufficing estimate of the Shia population. --Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider Rizvi^talk! 07:39, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Beliefs edit

The respect that Sunni Muslims show to ‘Ali and his descendants ("sayyids" in the East or "sharifs" in North Africa) is just one of several ways in which Shia Islam has influenced Sunni Islam.^[1]

I removed this edit as it is inherently incorrect. The Fatimids were known as Syed through witnessed accounts (and later collated as Hadiths) which confirmed the Prophet Muhammad (saaw) referred to Al-Hassan and Al-Hussain (as) as Syeds. This respected title did not originate from Shia Islam, but from their ancestor Prophet Muhammad (saaw) corroborated by the Sahabis who witnessed this statement. These Hadiths stating this case are accepted by Sunnis, especially Sufis, therefore this is not exclusive to or originating from Shia'ism.

[edit] The second paragraph

They are considered Kufr by some Sunni Muslims who reject Shia Islam as a form of innovation (bidah) who claim taking the graves of famous Imam's as a place of worship is an act of Kufr. Throughout history many of the followers and Imam's have been persucted and sometimes killed.

I have several objections:

1. No citation given.
2. Bidah doesn't necessary equals kufr.
3. Shia are several factions (like Sunnis), the above statement doesn't apply to all Shia. In addition, some Shia consider other Shia from other factons as bidah and/or kufr.
4. The reason given is not unique to Shia. Some Sunnis also take graves as a place of worship. Sole Soul (talk) 11:58, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Well it's been several weeks, so I'm just deleting it. It's unsourced and riddled with weasel words. Ka-pow! Peter Deer (talk) 16:29, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Y Done! Whoops, looks like someone beat me to it. How about that...Peter Deer (talk) 16:31, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Majority in Iraq?

The demographics of Iraq page, following Encyclopedia Britannica and the CIA World Fact Book, contradicts this assertion. How can we square this? 128.135.29.48 (talk) 21:19, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

The statistics in question are by either UNCHR or the CIA; they were published in October 2009 by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, a strictly non-advocacy organization. Since the Pew report, 'Mapping the Global Muslim Population: A Report on the Size and Distribution of the World's Muslim Population', would appear to be the epitome of a reliable, third-party, published source, I have reverted the article back. --Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider^tc_s 06:35, 1 December 2009 (UTC)