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Pumps link is wrong[edit]

The link to pumps does not point to anything shoe related, it points to the mechanical device pump.WFDobbs (talk) 19:21, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Corrected. If you see mistakes like this again in the future, feel free to fix them yourself. —Kan8eDie (talk)
I would have fixed it, if I had known the right link. I couldn't find it, I didn't realize they were also called court shoes.WFDobbs (talk) 03:16, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Sorry; point. It helps to have written half the article. It seems there is a rather muddled disambiguation page that should be cleaned up too, but I know nothing about women's shoes. I expect that pump (shoe) and court shoe should be merged, probably the latter into the former, but as these articles mainly interest women, I am not qualified to do that. —Kan8eDie (talk) 03:36, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Question: When did left/right soles became the norm?[edit]

the anwser is wrong A friend told me that until around the 1850th shoes were usually produced using symmetric soles for both feet. According to him, the left/right asymmetric layout we take for granted today only emerged in the 1850th, leveraging on advanced manufacturing techniques of the industrial revolution.

Is this a tall tale, or is there some truth in it?

HagenUK (talk) 16:58, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

It would appear that left/right footed shoes predate the use of 'straights', in Europe at least; Roman legionaries were certainly issued with 'footed' shoes (see 'Greece and Rome at War' by Peter Connolly). Medieval shoes were also made as left and rights (see 'Shoes and Pattens: Finds from Medieval Excavations in London' (Medieval Finds from Excavations in London) by Francis Grew & Margrethe de Neergaard). The practice seems to have fallen out of favour, however, as turn shoes were replaced by thoses with welted soles.

Rpb1487 (talk) 14:32, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


Woodcut of shoemakers from 1568
Line engraving of shoemakers, ca. 1632-35

Medieval-style turnshoes are definitly chiral, made in lefts and rights (in fact, I don't think you could force many of them onto the wrong feet, at any rate not without great discomfort). If you are making a turnshoe for a specific person, you'd be fool not to trace around their feet to get the shape (even the patterns for the uppers can be made this way). This automaticaly gives chiral shoes.

I too suspect achiral shoes may have come in with mass production of welted rands. Making a turnshoes needs scissors (or shears), a needle (or bristle) and an awl. Welted shoes need more tools to make, including a last, and making custom lasts for each customer is expensive. Ignoring left and right would simplify manufacture and stocking. I've seen a renaissance engraving of early welted shoes being mass-produced, in a shop without the clutter of labelled lasts you'd expect in a modern custom shoemaker's. Can't find a copy, though (one on the right shows turnshoes being made, the other welted rand shoes being repaired). Anyone have a proper reference on this?

Still, I am sure that the references given by Rpb1487 is enough support a statement in the article that turnshoes and Roman shoes did have different lefts and rights, and I have added one (I'm trusting your references) HLHJ (talk) 22:54, 23 November 2013 (UTC)


Shoes in Irish[edit]

I have translated the first portion of this article into irish. I would like to link the English article to the Irish one, but i can't because it is protected.

Senan1990 (talk) 16:51, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Done. Thanks for translating. My sister tried to learn Gaelic for a year, but found it hard, so it's good that there are people who can help with things like that.—Kan8eDie (talk) 15:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Apron? Sublimating the last?[edit]

Need help: where is the "apron" on a shoe and what can "sublimating the last" mean? I quote:

The three models in the collection – Oxford, Derby and straight toe-cap Derby – are distinguished by their front apron. This surface – a traditional feature of lasted Moccasin construction – is used here to capture and reflect the light, while at the same time sublimating the shoe’s last.

Best regards, --CopperKettle 16:40, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Custom shoes[edit]

Do shoes exist which are formed to the foot (which is pediatricly speaking much better) rather than where the foot is formed to the shoe sole. This could be done using liquid rubber (latex) and a mould.

Include in article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.182.185.211 (talk) 07:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, there are plenty of companies that make custom shoes. However, they wouldn't do it the way you describe, because that is actually bad for the feet. The shape of the shoe should complement the shape of the foot, not copy it. For example, if you take a mould of the foot standing up on rubber, then the arches of the shoe will be too shallow. The two approaches are either through moulding the insole to the foot, but tweaking it my hand where it tends to flatten out, or, much better, making the whole shoe for the foot by having a last made for you. Last-making is a highly skilled job done manually from drafts of the foot, and wooden last which fits best is quite different in shape to the actual foot all over.— Kan8eDie (talk) 15:25, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

You are thinking of "bespoke" shoes. Both John Lobb and Edward Green make bespoke shoes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.233.11.123 (talk) 23:34, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Why is this semi-protected[edit]

Why is this article semi-protected? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.79.10.114 (talk) 23:06, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Add Century In Shoes to the external links section[edit]

There is a really good resource that is missing for the External Links section. It's the Dmoz listed site "Century In Shoes". It's an "Online museum that features vintage shoes and explains the cultural temperament associated with various shoe styles throughout the century". Would be a great contribution for the shoe page.--It2shoes (talk) 13:35, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Here is some more info about the site:

It's an online fashion museum that features vintage shoes and explains the cultural temperament associated with various shoe styles throughout the 20th century. It offers a decade-by-decade look at shoes and their place in fashion and culture from the 1900s-1990s. For each decade you can read an essay, view examples of footwear and see advertisements from the period. There are also three feature articles: Dangerous Shoes, Ga-Ga for Gaza [Gaza Bowen, shoemaker], and Ruby Slippers. Includes a pre-20th century chronology of "great moments in shoe history.--It2shoes (talk) 13:21, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Coolmonky, 23 April 2010[edit]

I like shoes ,i like mbt shoes.Everyone need shoes ,if we have no shoes,there are many things we couldn't to do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolmonky (talkcontribs) 09:10, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

mbt shoes[edit]

I'm the new comimg.I wanna buy a pair of new shoes,my friends all adviced me to buy a pair of mbt shoes.I haven't bought it.Do you know some information about the mbt shoes? coolmonky (Coolmonky (talk) 09:16, 23 April 2010 (UTC)).

Edit request from 222.166.181.232, 1 June 2010[edit]

{{editsemiprotected}} a shoe is a thumb drive and it can store lots of memory, it can be kept in your pocket if you like

222.166.181.232 (talk) 09:54, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Not done: I don't think this is the place, and in any case it doesn't look to have any particular notability. Cheers, haz (talk) 09:57, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Pending changes[edit]

This article is one of a small number (about 100) selected for the first week of the trial of the Wikipedia:Pending Changes system on the English language Wikipedia. All the articles listed at Wikipedia:Pending changes/Queue are being considered for level 1 pending changes protection.

The following request appears on that page:

However with only a few hours to go, comments have only been made on two of the pages.

Please update the Queue page as appropriate.

Note that I am not involved in this project any more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially.

Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 20:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC).

More history[edit]

there should be more history about shoes in old kingdoms like Egypt and around the world in ancient times, shoes are things that were part of almost everyone daily life and one of the earliest things humans made to comfort thier walk and travels etc i couldnt find the edit box to add more history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moham29 (talkcontribs) 01:52, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

There's a long history of what types of shoes have been fashionable, certainly enough to fill an entire article. This is intertwined with the history of shoe technology, much of which is still missing. -- Beland (talk) 15:32, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree. There needs to be a separate page for the history of the men's dress shoes and the major companies that contributed to their evolution. There should also be a synopsis of the remaining companies that continue traditional bootmaking. user:gpejic 00:58, 23 Jan 2011 (EST)

Linning (part)[edit]

What is linning (part) in a shoe?.Hamiltha (talk) 07:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

External links[edit]

{{edit semi-protected}} Cheap Men Shoes Menshoes (talk) 04:18, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Not done: Wikipedia is not a place for advertising or spamming links. Thanks, Stickee (talk) 05:59, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 86.148.172.64, 3 January 2011[edit]

{{edit semi-protected}}

Dear page owner,

I've been trying to understand what the "rand" of a boot/show is and have not had a lot of luck. I see that you make refernce to it in your article and I was wondering if you might shed a little more light on the subject or perhaps start another page if it needs one.

Many thanks Ken.

86.148.172.64 (talk) 23:43, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done Not really a request and nobody owns an article. →GƒoleyFour← 00:08, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Soles[edit]

Is there any more information that can be added under 'Soles'? I'm no expert, but it seems something more could be written about common materials, manufacturing and the left/ right sole debate than just "Soles are the bottom of the shoe."

12/01 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.96.177.248 (talk) 00:19, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Functional Shoes[edit]

{{edit semi-protected}} Hey everyone, I think the following addition (Maybe even an own section called “functional shoes”) to the Unisex-shoe-section might be significant. As nowadays the majority of the big shoe brands have a functional/toning shoe in their assortment based on the rocker bottom shoe concept.

Rocker bottom shoe: A rocker sole or rocker bottom shoe is a style of footwear which has a thick sole with rounded heel. Such shoes ensure the wearer does not have flat footing along the proximal-distal axis of the foot. Inventor of these kind of shoes is the Swiss engineer Karl Müller.

What do you think?

--83.97.81.92 (talk) 15:37, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:38, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Article contains nonsense[edit]

" this makes the impact more gradual and hence reduces the shock by 300%" - that makes no sense. It can't reduce shock by more than 100%, otherwise it would turn negative! Whoever has written this section has written incoherent rubbish — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.25.223.156 (talk) 10:48, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Nike[edit]

Hello!

I was browsing the article and was struck by the prominence of Nike brand product lines explicitly mentioned as examples of various shoe related topics.

Is it appropriate to highlight specific brands in such fashion? Yes, I'm sure the company makes minimalist shoes, biodegradable shoes, collectible shoes and shoes that can be recycled but are Nike brand shoes so special in these regards as to merit being specially linked to in those sections of the article? It reads kind of like an advertisement. --81.234.133.93 (talk) 19:34, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

No, Nike does not warrant this kind of special attention, whatever their world market share of the item might be, and yes, repeated mention of their company brand name does start to feel like advertising and should be minimized. Please feel free to open up a Wikipedia user account and make some changes to the article as you see fit. This is exactly the kind of thing for which Wikipedia exists: for everyone to be able to contribute to the project through constructive editing. You have made a good suggestion here. I hope you will decide to follow through with it. KDS4444Talk 20:49, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Edit Request for Subsection "Skate Shoes."[edit]

I am requesting an edit for a lack of a necessary apostrophe under the section "Types">"Athletic">subsection "Skate Shoes." The second sentence in this section reads as follows: "They are very wide and have extra layers of padding to protect the skateboarders feet." The word "skateboarder's" needs an apostrophe between the "r" and "s" to indicate ownership of the plural noun "feet," as they are the proverbial "skateboarder's feet," and not anyone else's. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geoemrick (talkcontribs) 19:03, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Skate shoes are a very, very specific type of footwear, and dedicating an entire subsection to them is highly inappropriate. Since skating is generally a sport, inclusion under the athletic section is a better choice. WTF? (talk) 18:45, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

shoes not worn by most of world's population?[edit]

I removed the following statement because I believe it just plain false:

"Until recent years, shoes were not worn by most of the world's population — largely because they could not afford them. Only with the advent of mass production, making shoes available very cheaply, has shoe-wearing become predominant."

Although there are certainly many cultures where going barefoot is common, I think history has shown that the development of some type of footwear for basic protection is common. WTF? (talk) 20:19, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Word "Vamp" used repeatedly without being defined[edit]

Editorial suggestion on the article. The word "vamp" is used six times in the version I read to refer to a part of the shoe, without being defined in the construction section. The article would benefit by adding that definition. Jwhite.hv (talk) 20:48, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Shoe trees to be added to the maintenance section 5/2/13[edit]

There is already a Wikipedia page for them add it to the maintenance. They help a ton!

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Edit request on 26 October 2013[edit]

The original text states, "...Additionally fashion has often dictated many design elements, such as whether shoes have very high heels or flat ones." There should be a comma (,) inserted after additionally. Also 'flat ones' should change to 'flat heels'.

The original text states, "Other shoes are for very specific purposes, such as boots specially designed for mountaineering or skiing." The change should be 'Other shoes are designed for very specific purposes, such as boots being designed specifically for mountaineering or skiing.'

The original text states, "Shoes have traditionally been made from leather, wood or canvas, but are increasingly made from rubber, plastics, and other petrochemical-derived materials." The change being requested is 'Traditionally, shoes have been made from leather, wood, or canvas, but are increasingly made from rubber, plastics, and other petrochemical-derived materials.'


Lesh212 (talk) 19:00, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done here. --GraemeL (talk) 19:08, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Article is way too overlinked[edit]

I just did some editing to try to remove a series of superfluous and often redundant wikilinks in the first few paragraphs of this article, but the rest of the article still is overburdened with them. For the future: this article does not need wikilinks to the words wood, leather, or China as these are commonly understood words that do not aid the reader in understanding and are in fact distracting and a nuisance. Thanks! KDS4444Talk 20:42, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2014[edit]

History Antiquity Roman soldiers were issued with chiral footwear.[14]

"Chiral" is hyperlinked to a redirect page to Chirality which is a property of asymmetry and has very little to do with shoes. The closest I can think is the term "caliga".

The Latin word for generic sandals is sandalia or soleae; for shoes and shoe-boots, calcei -- from the word for heel (calx) -- which Sebesta and Bonfante say were distinctly for wearing with the toga and so forbidden to slaves. In addition, there were slippers (socci) and theatrical footwear, like the cothurnus.

Dbmack13 (talk) 21:19, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 23:56, 5 June 2014 (UTC)