Talk:Shooter's Hill

Apostrophe? - Shooter's Hill vs Shooters Hill

Regardless of whether one is right and the other wrong, two spellings are used in published material. and both should therefor be mentioned.

I have found many maps, books and other places using apostrophe and many not; and some using both, such as here look at place name, road name and golf course name on this map. I have found on Google searches there are more with. Greenwich Council does not use one. Different Collins Road Atlases use either spelling but usually with apostrophe, OS maps have used both but usually without one. I don't know if one is right and the other is wrong, so cannot say what the title of the article should be. But as a loose rule all times it is mentioned in the article should be the same. I am changing all in text to "Shooter's Hill" for this reason, but mentioning the other. I have only chosen Shooter's Hill as it is the present title and has more links to it. I have left the Samuel Pepys thing as the spelling maybe a direct quotation. If anyone can provide a source one is right and the other is wrong please do. Or in fact any source discussing the fact there are different spellings of the name. If Someone feels that strongly it should be Shooters Hill with no apostrophe they should move the article to that title and change all in text appearances to match, but still mention there is another spelling as well as changing other links and templates in other articles.

The roadsign in the area has it as "Shooters Hill" -- RND  T  C  18:21, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Carlwev (talk) 17:40, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I've lived in Shooters Hill my whole life, and I've never seen it spelt with an apostrophe - the main road running through the area is called "Shooters Hill Road", minus the apostrophe for one, and it is spelt without the apostrophe on all official signs as far as I know. I don't doubt that some has referred to it as "Shooter's Hill", but I think that "Shooters Hill" must be the officially-recognised name, and it is what those from Shooters Hill refer to the area as. --BADavid (talk) 20:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry to have to bring this up again, unless discribing the different spellings or direct quotations of a work, all times the subject (Shooter's Hill) is mentioned in the artical should match as should the title, templates and infoboxes. Both spellings have appearred in published maps and other material, so both should be mentioned at the start. As for the rest of the artical I don't really care which spelling, I only chose the one with the apostraphe because it is the title name and it is in the template for L B Greenwich. The article should not be a mixture of different spellings/grammar of the same word it is just silly.

Place/district vs geographical feature

I'm sorry to have to bring this up too. It does not matter whether I or another person would like a name to be a place or not, but what published and reliable material/sources state. Shooter's Hill may be the name of a hill or geographical feature, but it is also a place/district. Every map and atlas I look at for this area treat it as a place here, as they have the name Shooter's Hill written on it, in the same font and the same way the other places are, such as Eltham, Kidbrooke, Welling, Falconwood etc. Many places are named after geographical features and exist as districts and geographical features at the same time, like Greenwich Penninsula, Petts Wood, Kidbrooke, Bexleyheath, Forest Hill. The fact that the name is used on road signs and buses etc suggest it's a place/district. Secondly here on Wikipedia the long running consensus of many editors treat this as a place, the groups of articles, lists and templates about the area treat it as a place. Shooter's Hill is on the "districts of Greenwich" template, List of places in London, List of districts of London, List of United Kingdom locations: Sg-Sh, and List of districts in Greenwich articles. Although I might add it soon, Shooter's Hill is not presently in Category:Hills of London or Category:Geography of Greenwich like you'd expect if it was only a hill and nothing more, but it is in Category:Districts of Greenwich and Category:Districts of London. If Shooter's Hill were thought of as just a hill all of this would have to be reversed to make it consistant with this article. If you are not sure of anything, or want to change a long running consensus please discus on Shooter's Hill talk page or even my talk page first Carlwev (talk) 15:27, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

I have since added Category:Hills of London and Category:Geography of Greenwich the article desribes it is a hill and high point of London. Carlwev (talk) 16:20, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

No History?

Why is a history section missing from this article. Apart from a brief statement about the origin of its name it has a lot of history and would have played a vital part in the defence of London in World War II. -- RND  T  C  18:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

area name or locality

the geographical feature that is shooters hill is not and never has been a locality name such as woolwich, plumstead, eltham, kidbrooke and welling that surround it

there is no mention of shooters hill in any national address gazetteer current or historical ( PAF NAG etc. ) it is on OS mapping products as it is a visible feature - OS has never had the authority to name areas which does sometimes cause confussion

the correct designation of this area is plumstead, the postcode is SE18 which contains woolwich and plumstead - no mention of shooters hill. if you look at the ward map on the page the locality of plumstead contains Glyndon, Plumstead and Shooters hill wards

the main reason why shooters hill ( no apostrophe as per BS 7666 ) can not be an area name is that the road from the former police station to the welling boundary is called "shooters hill" so this road would need to be renamed in order to have the area name as "shooters hill"

the royal mail has now dropped the requirement to use locality names on addresses due to the amount of "address snobbery" it encounters - the use of shooters hill as a locality name falls into this category

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.4.51.243 (talk) 20:13, 3 January 2012 (UTC)