Talk:Shootout

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American Perspective[edit]

It seems like the writer of this article is writing from an American perspective with only 3 out of the 36 'famous' shootouts being in a different country. Obviously it isn't respective around the world with many more shootouts in history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.252.33 (talk) 13:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Very solid point. There are 'shootouts' where 2 people died here yet shootouts like the Australian Kelly Gang's fight with the police which resulted in large amounts of deaths on either side and lasted a long time are not. Also what constitutes a 'shootout' in relation to this article? Is it between police and criminals? Can it be between terrorists and soldiers as is the case in a few of these? If so what about 'revolutionaries and soldiers'? Or between soldiers and soldiers? How are we going to limit these definitions suffeciently to make this article narrow enough to maintain?--Senor Freebie (talk) 09:20, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

"Shot it out"[edit]

This is informal English and is used all over the article. I'd suggest this phrase be changed to "exchanged fire" or similar. Some guy 07:31, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

True enough. However, I don’t particularly like “exchanged fire” either. Too formal and non-descriptive—it does not do justice to the violence of the situation. Compare “exchanged fire” with “exchanged business cards” or “exchanged gifts.” What else can we come up with? I am willing to work on this. On the other hand, since the title of the article is “Shootout,” perhaps the phrase is appropriate here. •DanMS 21:21, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
A little delayed in my response here, but Wikipedia is an encylopedia... formal language is expected in articles. The purpose of articles is to provide information, not "do justice" to anything. Some guy (talk) 00:41, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Waco entry[edit]

I have rewritten the text of the Branch Davidian section in a way that hopefully helps to distinguish between the ATF and FBI phases of the siege. Also, I changed the deathcount. Arguably, only the initial ATF raid constituted a "shootout," and that for purposes of this article only those Davidians who died on February 28 should be counted. I looked at the format used for the Ruby Ridge and MOVE deaths to find a way to acknowledge the April 19 deaths in a way that fit in with the rest of the page. And the total also needed to be corrected from 75 to 82. --WacoKid 21:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Pretty good, but I'd question the "raided" language, and also note in the body count that the April 19th deaths were a result of a conflagration, and not gunfire, or else those deaths should not be included in the body count at all. Lmj81 02:44, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Entebbe and Munich[edit]

Terrorism and shootouts are different. I would like serious consideration for the removal of both of these entries from the shootout page. Quinty 21:09, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

The definition of shootout, according to the article, is "A shootout may also involve two groups outside of law enforcement, such as rival gangs. A shootout in a military context (i.e., regularly constituted armed forces or even guerilla or insurgent forces) would usually be considered a battle rather than a shootout." Entebbe and Munich, being a shootout between organized, guerilla forces (Uganda military and PLO) and authorities (Israeli military and German police), should not be in this article. 64.9.54.173 13:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

It's a fair question, but hostage rescue operations also doesn't fit well under military firefights. Perhaps they need their own article. Lmj81 02:47, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Law Enforcement tag[edit]

I removed the WP:LE tag because this article is about shootouts in general and not about a specific one involving law enforcement.EMT1871 01:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Siege of Sidney Street[edit]

Although known as a siege, this British event included a gun battle, as described in the entry. I'd suggest it should be added here.--Maltelauridsbrigge (talk) 18:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Present tense[edit]

Why are these snippets written in the present (or progressive) tense when they are about past events? --Bejnar (talk)