Talk:Shu'ubiyya

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Non-Persian SHU'UBY[edit]

Can you give an example of Non-Persian (Berber! Aramean!) Shu'uby.--Aziz1005 02:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Biased[edit]

This Article is biased towards Shu'ubiyya. --Maha Odeh 13:09, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As it is used at least in Classical Arabic works of the period, شعوبية strictly means "anti-Arab" views. The article does not provide one source of the made-up definition of a reaction to the Arabs' privileged status. Yes, Persian revivalism sometimes took on Shu'ubi forms, but it didn't have to. These were separate phenomena. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.36.49.198 (talk) 08:13, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the claim that Persians were persecuted by the Abbasid is ridiculous. In fact, there are those who see the advent of the Abbasid caliphate as the beginning of Persian influence. Of course, the Abbasid quashed attempts to revive ancient Iranian religions, but Persians, as a whole, were far from persecuted. Some of them had powerful positions in the Abbasid state.

Ba`th[edit]

Should point out that under modern Ba`thism, Shu`ubiyya means "treason to the cause of Arab qawmiyya nationalism". AnonMoos (talk) 20:38, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why are these words a different color?[edit]

"nations (shū'ub) and tribes (qabā'il)," ? --AW (talk) 00:19, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone? --AW (talk) 18:06, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality disputed[edit]

The article makes some crucial claims but fails to cite reliable neutral sources. As such, it has been tagged for neutrality dispute. -AsceticRosé 05:16, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Arabization of Islam[edit]

Can someone please explain to me what "Arabization of Islam in Iran" is supposed to mean? I mean I can understand Arabization of Iran and how some Iranians pushed back against it as mentioned in the reference given. Please let me know what I am missing. Otherwise, I will change it to Arabization of Iran. M.Mohamad9 (talk) 10:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Umayyads introduced a racial element in Islam, enacting laws that treated only Arabs as "true Muslims" and non-Arabs as "Mawali". This sort of ideology of "only Arabs can be real Muslims" is what's meant by that statement, and was one of the biggest causes of the fall of the Umayyads and the rise of the Shu'ubiyya movement. --Qahramani44 (talk) 17:04, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]