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Sure about the age?[edit]

Looks 20 years older. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.145.228.205 (talk) 14:55, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

This comment is so old now as to probably not require an answer, and as shallow as it is I'm really not sure it deserves one, but yes, her age and birth year are well documented here and elsewhere. (It irritates me every time I read it, but at least it will irritate me less now that it's answered.) Dwpaul Talk 02:03, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Sinebot--> You read my mind. Lol Aaron Saltzer (talk) 20:54, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Fuller vs. Furler[edit]

Why do numerous media sources, including National Public Radio, refer to her as "Sia Fuller?" Is it just widespread bad reporting? Viciouslies 05:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Dwpaul Talk 02:03, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Article image[edit]

I've received notification that the main image on this article is likely to be removed under the {{Replaceable fair use}} rationale, which states that "it illustrates a subject for which a free image could reasonably be found or created". Note taht if this image is removed, it will also be removed from the Zero 7 article.

If anyone has (or can source) a suitable free image of Sia, that could replace the one currently used, please upload it and replace the existing image. Alternatively, if anyone wishes to contest the decision to remove this picture, please edit the image page, add the {{Replaceable fair use disputed}} template and provide justification on that page as to why it should be retained as a fair use image. Gram 15:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Lesbian?[edit]

Apparently Sia confirmed that she was dating a woman in Attitude, a GLBTQ-magazine from the UK. Here's a link: http://www.newnownext.com/2008/01/sia-has-a-girlf.html. I'm not sure how to incorporate that into the article, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.26.131.177 (talk) 06:24, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not convinced. I can't read the article, but a blog isn't considered a WP:RS. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:09, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
If there is a reliable source, a statement needs to be added to the article and the statement needs to be referenced. Or simply add the link to the reference here and I'll see what I can do. Simply adding the cats back doesn't do any good. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:23, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Many many thanks!! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 19:19, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Intervention (TV series)[edit]

The song Breath Me has been used by A&E to promote the network's show Intervention (TV series). Worth working into article? In my case, this is how I discovered the existence of this artist; I believe this kind of commercial tie-in is relevant in respect to an artist who may not have had this type of exposure previously. Eastend (talk) 02:04, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

"I Go To Sleep"[edit]

I believe, "I Go To Sleep" is a cover from Ray Davies. If so, it should be mentioned. --Adam Brody (talk) 18:23, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:SURNAME[edit]

I have made several edits to the article so that it conforms to Wiki's policy WP:SURNAME. Many famous people are known by their first names ie Michael Jackson, but that is not a reason to ignore Wiki policy and call the subject by her first name. If she a widely used nickname such as Madonna, Prince or Sting, that would be different.-- KeithbobTalk 17:55, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Is that even if she has just been using the name Sia since 2001? Wikipedia doesn't as last name to Ke$ha or other current artists using only their first names? Crazychrisr92 (talk) 11:44, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

How is this different to Adele who also releases all of her music under her first name only? The opening paragraph should mention that she is usually know mononymously as 'Sia'. --81.107.149.49 (talk) 15:53, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

It should stay as Sia Furler I believe. She uses 'Sia' when performing as a featured artist/lead artist, but uses 'Sia Furler' for practically all of her songwriting credits. That's how Sia differs. Also, try not to use non-featured articles in resolving. Technically, Adele should probably be referred to as her surname, Adkins, in her wikipedia article. See Beyoncé Knowles who is referred to as Knowles. ⊾maine12329⊿ talk 04:15, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Good points, thanks for your intelligent comments and research.-- KeithbobTalk 23:11, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Jenks24 (talk) 12:25, 5 June 2014 (UTC)



Sia FurlerSia (singer) – Two of her songs already have just her first name in the brackets (Clap Your Hands (Sia song) and You've Changed (Sia song)), and it looks like there'll be third soon - she even ignores her surname on her official site Unreal7 (talk) 22:45, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

  • Keep See discussions above: typically as a lead singer Furler uses her first name but as a songwriter or producer she uses both names. The two singles/songs can be re-directed to "XXXX (Sia Furler song)" per existing article for "Chandelier (Sia Furler song)" and similar to album article, Best Of... (Sia Furler album). Furthermore, using (singer) as the disambiguation is too restrictive for Furler's career activities.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:33, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Don't move – agree with everything shaidar cuebiyar said. Melonkelon (talk) 07:42, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Don't move. Her name isn't "Sia (Singer)", nobody reading the wiki will seach for that. If there are other people called Sia then a surname is the natural way to distinguish between them. Sairp (talk) 11:22, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
    • I never said her name was "Sia (singer)" - and as for "If there are other people called Sia then a surname is the natural way to distinguish between them" - I don't believe anyone's searching for Adele Adkins or Robyn Carlsson. Unreal7 (talk) 10:13, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
      • Why do you want to move the page to something which is not her name? Sairp (talk) 09:30, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Support, but would consider alternative disambiguation. Whilst Sia may be her marketing name, she would use her legal name for songwriting and could for other items .i.e. Richard Starkey, Prince Nelson, Katheryn Hudson. If she is is trading as a mononym then WP should reflect that as WP:COMMONNAME, because others have that name, then it needs to be disambiguated. If (singer) isn't good enough, does anybody have an alternative? --Richhoncho (talk) 18:00, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Don't move. This is an encyclopedia, not a pop magazine. She may currently style herself as Sia, but her name is Sia Furler. With the possible exceptions of Cher, Madonna and (TAFKA) Prince, who established those identities over many years and to the exclusion of any others, we should refer to musical artists here by their real names. Sia is not yet in that league. Dwpaul Talk 22:26, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
Also, consider Elvis Presley, who was consistently (uniquely) known as Elvis during his career and released recordings under a mononym, but whose primary article here uses his full name. Dwpaul Talk 22:32, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
Response to Dwpaul. Presley is apples and pears and as I have done, he is also known as Presley, The King and probably a few other "names". He was always marketed (i.e. known as) Elvis Presley, but as Unreal7 points out above, WP has Adele and Robyn amongst others. Neither of these have been established "over many years." and as far as I am aware both articles have always been at the mononym. For me the deciding point is the name the singer is known as, and it appears that is Sia As Sia, she is certainly not primarytopic so a disambiguator has to be used, the question is which one and why? Which ever one is chosen, it is not the name she is known by, it's an artifice because not every article can sit at it's non-disambiguated place. Hence my support for the move. --Richhoncho (talk) 08:04, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
Re: "[Elvis] was always marketed (i.e. known as) Elvis Presley": Really? Guess you had to be there. Take a look at these covers (all contemporary marketing); see "Presley" anywhere? [1][2][3][4][5]. In any case, I think you missed my point. My point is that regardless of what her handlers/producers/publisher would like to think, Sia Furler has not achieved the enduring and deep name recognition and cultural significance of the other exceptions I mentioned, and until and unless she does, she should not be considered for mononymous treatment in this or any encyclopedia. Nor should any other artist receive this treatment here just because some industry executive orders it. It needs to be earned. Dwpaul Talk 17:58, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
My point was Presley was marketed as Elvis Presley, whereas Sia Furler is marketed as Sia. That's why references to Presley is misleading not relevant to discussion. Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 18:57, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Yes "WP has Adele and Robyn amongst others". But we can not move this page to "Sia" because there is another page there. So we must disambiguate. We could add "Furler", which is her real name, or we could add " (singer)" which is a suffix made up by wiki editors. Nobody else calls her "Sia (singer)". Lots of people call her "Sia Furler". Sairp (talk) 09:27, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
You could argue that Sia is primarytopic. Those that know her as Sia may not appreciate Sia Furler is the same person, but in all likelihood would identify Sia (singer) as the page they are looking for. Equally there is no reason why you can't suggest another disambiguator. --Richhoncho (talk) 11:06, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Keep Move as Sia is known mononymously. I was just about to start an RM for this until I found one already in place.--Launchballer 19:45, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
OK, just so we're clear, is your !vote to Keep intending to support a move? Because I interpret keep to mean that the article should be kept as it is (and I think that's what the other keep was advocating). Dwpaul Talk 19:55, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Yes I meant move, I've just come from an AfD.--Launchballer 19:59, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I took the liberty. Dwpaul Talk 20:09, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Appreciated.--Launchballer 20:15, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Point of information. Here is another way to look at this:
Cher, Adele, Madonna and the estate of Elvis all applied for, paid for and received US trademark protection for the use of those mononyms in the sales and marketing of entertainment services. In effect, they own the legal right to be "primary topic" in the US marketplace when and where those mononyms are used. Sia Furler, on the other hand, only applied last February for similar rights to use Sia in trade. Her application status (as of just late last month) is approved for publication in the USPTO Official Gazette, which means only that her paperwork is in order; the merits of the application will not even be considered by the USPTO until it has been published and opportunity has been given for objection. Part of the approval process will include a consideration of whether she has adequately used the mark to the exclusion of others (and whether others have done so to a degree that would make the proposed mark ineligible).
I will not !vote again, but I suggest that this supports the notion that the proposed move of this article would be premature, and that it would in effect substitute our judgment for an established legal process for determining who should possess the right (in the US) to use a mononym for trade in a particular industry. (The article here could perhaps even be used as evidence in that process.) Dwpaul Talk 14:33, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
P.S. - Prince's trademark registration for Prince was cancelled in 1996, renewed and cancelled again in 2004 due to failure to file renewal documents, and Swedish artist Robin Carlsson never filed in the US for a trademark on Robyn. Dwpaul Talk 14:59, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for that, but you have missed the point. Are you now saying we should move Prince (musician) to Prince Nelson because he doesn't own his own Trade Mark? You can raise a reasonable argument to oppose the move, but Trade Mark Legislation is not it. Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 17:33, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
No, I'm (obviously) not suggesting we need to revise every other mononymously-named article on Wikipedia based on this, nor that this should be the only standard used to name articles for musical recording artists. I'm pretty sure I said above that this information supports the position that it would be premature to move this article, and I stand by that position. And yes, the fact that a given artist has successfully trademarked a mononym (or not) should indeed have relevance in naming articles about them here. Dwpaul Talk 17:51, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Plus, evidence like artwork should be ignored? That makes no sense either. --Richhoncho (talk) 20:05, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Rich, I didn't say anything about ignoring anything. Dwpaul Talk 20:41, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

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Requested move (2)[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. EdJohnston (talk) 05:07, 14 June 2014 (UTC)



Sia FurlerSia (musician) – Per WP:COMMONNAME, the name Sia is more suitable because Sia has had a musical career and often used her first name for all of her releases. She even used the name for her Facebook account and her official website. Of course as a songwriter, Sia's credits will be kept as Sia Furler, but with her music releases, Sia is more suitable. Simon (talk) 02:19, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

  • Oppose, for the same reasons I articulated when, for all intents, the same request was made just two weeks ago. Dwpaul Talk 03:38, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
Among many other problems with your methodology, you are assuming that every Google™ hit on Sia + musician and Sia + singer refers to Sia Furler. This is demonstrably false (look at your results), as there are other musicians and singers (and/or people talking about musicians and/or singers) named Sia, and/or other meanings of either word. The second returns results, for example, pertaining to Isaac Bashevis Singer, and to rock music photographer Joe Sia at the Singer Bowl in 1968. In Italian, sia is a subjunctive present-tense form of essere, "to be, to exist", so nearly every Italian-language reference to any singer and/or musician could have been captured. Only in a search for Sia + Furler can nearly all the results be reasonably assumed to have something to do with Sia Furler, and when I do so in the US Google (versus Vietnamese) I get about 1,260,000 results. Also note that many articles about Sia Furler contained in your first two example searches likely also contain her last name, so are supersets of the latter example search. Dwpaul Talk 19:45, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Support - as per my initial request above. Unreal7 (talk) 12:22, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose, her surname is used on a fairly regular basis, and I think that keeping it in the title is better disambiguation than having a parenthetical disambiguator. WikiRedactor (talk) 13:32, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose Similar request just concluded as "no consensus." Immediate reapplication is inappropriate, could be considered "gaming the system." Xoloz (talk) 17:04, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
You have noticed that Wikipedia is inconsistent. This is not a revelation. ;-) Dwpaul Talk 02:13, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Support. It is patently obvious to one and all she is known as "Sia." It is also patently obvious her article cannot be at "Sia." Not her fault some editors have an absurd dislike of disambiguators, even though we have no choice but to use them! --Richhoncho (talk) 16:25, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:NATURALDIS. No need for parenthetical disambiguation then we can use natural one.--Staberinde (talk) 18:32, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

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Requested move 3[edit]

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The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Although the question of the precision of the disambiguator remains unresolved, there was broad agreement to move the article away from natural disambiguation in order to reflect common usage. Dekimasuよ! 20:20, 11 November 2014 (UTC)


Sia FurlerSia (musician) – As per WP:COMMONNAME, just Sia would be most suitable. I'm sorry to bring this up again, but despite writing credits, she is just known mononymously as Sia. Most artists use their real names on writing credits in the first place anyway, and she has never been credited as Sia Furler on any music releases. Billboard Man (talk) 17:07, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

  • I think I have to agree with this move. I know and love Sia, so I can easily recall her last name, but I imagine most people have never even heard her last name. ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:09, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Support Sia Furler successfully registered Sia as a trademark for "Entertainment services in the nature of live visual and audio performances by musicians", etc., effective October 7, 2014, so I withdraw my objection to a previous move request that Sia Furler did not (at that time) have the legal right to use Sia as a trade name. Dwpaul Talk 18:21, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Support - Funny enough, I was just looking at this page yesterday and lamenting that it was probably too soon after the most recent discussion to propose it again. But, it's been done, so I'm supporting it. Sia (musician) is overwhelmingly the most common name but is also perhaps more importantly the most recognizable name. The proposed title is easily understood by anyone searching for the subject to be on the subject, the current is not, to the extent that people who don't know her last name will more likely be confused than not. To the extent that, if you asked someone about Sia they would know who you are talking about if you know this subject, but a question about "Sia Furler" would probably lead to a shrug from anyone except her die hard fans. Natural disambiguation is good, but there's no reason to prefer it if it is actively harming the page identification. --Yaksar (let's chat) 20:21, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Support per WP:COMMONNAME - Everyone generally only knows her first name and since 9 times out of 10 she goes by her first name It makes sense to move imho. –Davey2010(talk) 20:41, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Support - per nom. Unreal7 (talk) 20:46, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Question - why isn't the proposal to Sia (singer)? In ictu oculi (talk) 02:13, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Oh, right? She is primarily a vocalist and a songwriter. ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:34, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Doesn't particularly matter to me which one is chosen, but perhaps "musician" is preferred because its broader scope could include her songwriting and composing, which make up a significant portion of her notable work?--Yaksar (let's chat) 05:21, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose per previous discussions. There are no new important reasons for this move, however the same reasons for not moving still apply. According to WP:NATURALDIS, neither (musician) nor (singer) is better than Furler as a disambiguator.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:06, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Natural disambiguation is certainly nice when possible, but it isn't preferred in cases where the common name is so overwhelmingly the common name, to the extent that the natural one is likely not even recognized by the majority of people that know of the subject. Thus, we have lots and lots of pages of people who are disambiguated even though they have perfectly natural middle names that most people don't know of, or even cases like Prince Rogers Nelson where a natural disambiguation does exist but is obviously not preferred. --Yaksar (let's chat) 05:21, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

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