Talk:Sideburns

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Removed Scrooge McDuck from the list of men known for their sideburns for the following reasons:

  • He has no ears and therefore no sideburns
  • His hairstyle is more of a bald-headed wraparound
  • His "hair" is actually feathers anyway
  • He is a duck, not a man


I'm very surprised nothing was mentioned of Luke Perry or Jason Priestley who popularized sideburns in the early 90's on Beverly Hills 90210 after they had become unfashionable in the mid to late 80's. I'll look for sources on that before I edit the article though. Yankees76 21:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Musicians like Glenn Danzig or James Hetfield surely popularized sidesburns throughout the 90s (at least in the metal/punkrock scene). Which probably goes back to their admiration of the music from the 50s/60s. Both are known to like rock and roll and country.--80.133.245.89 15:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Probably, but sources would help validate such statements. I doubt Hetfield was particularly noted for his sideburns until well after they had become fashionable/popular in the mid 90's. If I recall he had 80's metal hair up until the Load era, and in 1995 even sported a mullet/mohawk haircut complete with chinstraps - not sideburns [1]. Yankees76 04:57, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Wolverine[edit]

I really don't think the prevalence of sideburns throughout the world is due to the popularity of the character Wolverine.

71.246.242.50 13:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

delete Ian J., Modern Man. this is shameless self promotion

I disagree. There is nothing wrong with shameless self promotion. --209.244.30.237 (talk) 22:54, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Eligibility requirements[edit]

To cut down on self-promotion (or other promotion of non-notables) I have added the following "invisible" editorial guideline:

  • ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS: If they aren't notable enough to have an article here at Wikipedia, they aren't eligible for inclusion here. Only include those with articles, so write the article first. Wikipedia is not to be used for promotion or advertising.

-- Fyslee/talk 06:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Gallery[edit]

To make the article more interesting, we could start a gallery with images (from those with articles here) showing some of the various styles and some of the more spectacular ones. It should be limited to maybe 8-16 (divisible by four, since that's the breadth of the gallery). I'll make a start and others can add to it. -- Fyslee/talk 06:58, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Sideburns vs. Burnsides[edit]

When did this inversion occur? Beefart is sixty years old and as a boy in the 1950's it was already sideburns. Any documentation?

  • I found a book from 1909 that tries to explain it. So by then it must have been popular. "It seems to be thought that the word side has something to do with it [ie, with the meaning of the term], and that as an adjective it should come first, according to our idiom." Doing Google Book searches, I couldn't find any examples before 1890 of "sideburn(s)", only one occurrence in the 1890s, and about a dozen instances the next decade, and the next decade several dozen. — BRIAN0918 • 2008-09-09 19:54Z

mutton chops...[edit]

..are not like sideburns,mutton chops are long hair tht goes down over thy cheeks,unlike sideburns which grow out of thy cheeks Luke12345abcd (talk) 16:45, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I am unconvinced by the distinction, but evidently clarification of what exactly is meant by 'mutton chops' or 'lamb chops' is required, as long as there are redirects going from there to here. To me, those terms just refer to particularly extensive sideburns, but perhaps usage varies? --Oolong (talk) 11:11, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
This needs to be addressed because the article twice implies that mutton chops or lamb chops are different than sideburns, but it does not make it at all clear what that distinction is. I'd say that if no one can support or explain this better soon, then it should be dropped, because it's just confusing the way it is now. ike9898 (talk) 16:54, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

The gallery[edit]

Someone with the time and inclination might rearrange the gallery in chronological order, say by date of birth.--Wetman (talk) 10:50, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Listmakers have expanded it aimlessly. The gallery needs to be pruned of repetitive illustrations.--Wetman (talk) 08:33, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
The gallery at the moment is male pale and stale. That it is "male" is a no-brainer and little more need be said about it. The gallery is "pale" in that all the wearers are of European origin, and "stale" given that only two of the men shown (Asimov and Elvis) were alive during the last 90 years. This is not personal criticism of the men currently depicted. The points I am making are as follows. Sideburns have been fashionable in Japan (as the article says) and also at various occasions (notably the "blaxploitation" era) in the USA's African-American community but the gallery does not reflect this. I would suggest that the gallery should depict the evolution of sideburns - from Alexander the Great to the present day - and photos should primarily illustrate this evolution, with depiction of men notable for wearing sideburns as a secondary consideration. A more controversial suggestion is the inclusion of fictional characters; even extra-terrestrials such as Neelix, the Star Trek character, who was "outed" by a telepathic woman for being someone who enjoyed it when a women pulled his sideburn hair. What do people think? 87.113.12.122 (talk) 20:30, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
I agree with the general sentiments expressed by 87.x.x.x. The gallery should be more than what appears to be a random collection of men with sideburns. Huw Powell (talk) 16:24, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Moustache / sideburn line?[edit]

We are having a discussion at work about the specifics of the term sideburns. If a person has no hair anywhere on the the top or back of their head, but only has hair that connects under the nose and extends to touch the top of the ears is that considered to be a long moustache or sideburns? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.89.177.187 (talk) 19:59, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Isaac Asimov[edit]

The author has some pretty rockin sideburns. I think a pic of him should be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.204.60.34 (talk) 18:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Links[edit]

The second link is dead... And by dead I mean it leads to a page containing nothing about sideburns, but loads of pop-ups and redirects to useless fraudulent crap instead :) Wouldn't it make sense to remove that link then? Someone unimaginative (talk) 19:36, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Question[edit]

So what were they called before Burnside's time? 86.143.69.89 (talk) 12:28, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

alternative theory of the origin of sideburns?[edit]

I have heard, just by word of mouth from various old,wise and respected people that the word "sideburns" did not originate from general Burnside, if anything, the other way about. That side burns refer to the hunting classes-the rich English and European landowners who would shoot for sport, as well as often being involved in military service, and is in reference to the old matchlock, wheellock and flintlock mechanisms on the sides of rifles or muskets. As the spark ignited the gunpowder in the pan and exploded, often the sparks would flare out and sometimes back, to burn against the side of the face of the shooter, and could leave a scar. Quite often these wealthy men, after a military career would hunt on each others estates as a gentry pass time, and the facial scars would add up. Hair was grown both to cover up the scarring, and also to protect their faces from the sparks when firing the musket, held up to the sides of their face (singeing the facial hair, but not the skin). General Burnside's name may have been taken from a landed gentry or military ancestry which were noted for the burns on the sides of their faces. European surnames often have their origins in either the family trade or distinguishing features of the ancestry. I thought this explanation was well known and rivalled the General burnside explanation but have only heard it via word of mouth, I don't see much talk of it on the internet. Has anyone else heard this theory? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Finnmakool (talkcontribs) 10:34, 29 March 2012 (UTC)