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Date of knighthood[edit]

1974? I thought he got his KBE decades later than this, perhaps closer to 1994. Any clues? Maybe just a typo. JackofOz 03:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

After some research, I'm more confused than ever about this date. I never found 1994; but three other years were mentioned:
  • 1968 — Five sources, including http://www.africanamericans.com/SidneyPoitier.htm which I would expect to be careful about facts.
  • 1969 — Filmbug.com (which seems dubious as a source on other grounds.)
  • 1974 — Both the IMDB and About.com, which are generally reliable.
So I don't know what to recommend. I'll see what I can find in the British Honours Lists, but they're PDFs and a bit of a pain to search through. --ChrisWinter 17:08, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
And what do we mean by "by right and recommendation of his Bahamian citizenship"? Nobody ever gets a knighthood "by right", or merely because they happen to be a citizen of a particular country. What is this all about? JackofOz 02:59, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Off the top of my head, I think this is just formal language that means he is a citizen of the British Empire. While there are exceptions, it is rare for knighthood to be awarded to anyone who is not. --ChrisWinter 15:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, the British Empire ceased to exist a long time ago. Maybe you mean he's a citizen of a country that is a Commonwealth Realm, ie. a country that acknowledges the British monarch as its head of state. The best resource I know of for details of honorary knighthoods awarded to citizens of other countries is our List of honorary British Knights. JackofOz 08:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Just for clarification, he would have been born a British subject in 1927, become a Citizen of the United Kingdom & Colonies in 1950, and would then have become a Bahaman upon independence in 1973. As the Bahamas is a Commonwealth Realm he is entitled to a full title (rather than an an 'honourary title', as would be the case if a citizen of a country that is not British or does not recognise such titles). This does not detract from possible US Citizenship. However, Britain did not recognise dual nationality until the Citizenship Act, so I don't know what his status may have been from 1950 - 1973 (as the Bahamas would then have its own nationality laws).Roche-Kerr 20:06, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm not too sure about the specifics of the OBE, but should we put his name at the beginning of the article as Sir Sidney Poitier? Jutm543 21:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

If he's an american citizen he can't be a Sir —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.104.199 (talk) 19:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

He can be Sir Sidney if he's also a citizen of a Commonwealth Realm, as discussed above. P.G. Wodehouse is another example of this situation, Wodehouse had British citizenship but he also took US citizenship as he lived in America permanently. When he got a knighthood it was a full one due to his ongoing UK citizenship, and it wasn't affected by the US citizenship at all.--88.112.158.247 (talk) 03:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Editing questions[edit]

I've just made some changes (rephrasing, putting in missing words, etc.). I want to change two more things, but first I need some confirmation that they really are mistakes.

(Emphasis added in both cases.)

"Sir Sidney Poitier, (First Ever Black Man) KBE (born 1927-02-20) is a Bahamian-American actor. He has been hailed as a breakthrough star whose acclaimed performances which, by consciously defying racial stereotyping, gave a new dramatic credibility for black actors to mainstream film audiences in the Western world."

I know this means that Poitier was the first black man to receive a KBE. But, unless it's part of the title (which I doubt), there's a better was to say it than "(First Ever Black Man)".

"His fifth daughter is actress Sydney Tamiia Poitier."

The double-i in her middle name is almost certainly due to keybounce. Still, with proper names come some unusual spellings. I thought it wise to check. --ChrisWinter 15:57, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, blow me down! It is correct! (Per Google, IMDB, and several others.) I hope one of those "i"s is silent; otherwise I can't get my head around how to pronounce it. --ChrisWinter 16:27, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


DOB?[edit]

Article states 1924 and 1927 as year of birth. What is actual year of birth?RexRex84 06:31, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

He was born in 1927, several sources, including the 1930 U.S. Census and Intelius have confirmed it. This ref states that he has said he was born 1924, however some of the actors that have been interviewed in it, have lied about their birthdates. For example:Ingrid Bergman, Joan Crawford, Anthony Quinn, Katharine Cornell made themselves younger. Is it not possible that Poitier made himself 3 years older? Therefore this reference is unreliable, so I will remove it and restore the 1927 birthdate.79.124.57.97 (talk) 22:20, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

YouTube?[edit]

i removed a sentence under trivia claiming he was famous for reviewing youtube videos. google didn't turn up anything. seemed like spam. if it can be substantiated, then someone can add it back i guess. --Doinelita 00:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Lysistrata[edit]

In the Sidney Poitier article, there is a sentence that states: “On his second attempt at the theater, he was noticed and given a leading role in the Broadway production "Lysistrata", for which he got excellent reviews.” Sidney did not get excellent reviews in this play because he got stage fright and ran off the stage. I read this in a book about Sidney Poitier. Exit EMERGENCYx 04:37, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

You'll need to tell us the book's title. Cop 633 13:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Here's the book : Bergman, Carol. Sidney Poitier. New York: Chelsea House Publishers, 1988. Exit EMERGENCYx 01:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

You got a page number? ;) Cop 633 01:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

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WP:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers priority assessment[edit]

Per debate and discussion re: assessment of the approximate 100 top priority articles of the project, this article has been included as a top priority article. Wildhartlivie (talk) 07:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

To add[edit]

He is also ambassador from the Bahamas to UNESCO. Badagnani (talk) 07:46, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

The Simple Life of Noah Dearborn[edit]

YesY Done Article created. Darkspots (talk) 08:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I was surprised to see that this movie was not listed in the Filmography. Is there some reason for this? Johnfos (talk) 04:53, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

It's listed in the television section, because it's a MOTW. [[Usoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo{| class="wikitable" border="1"

|- ! header 1 ! header 2 ! header 3 |- | row 1, cell 1 | row 1, cell 2 | row 1, cell 3 |- | row 2, cell 1 | row 2, cell 2 | row 2, cell 3 |}er:Darkspots|Darkspots]] (talk) 07:47, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Still surprises me that we don't have an article on it. Johnfos (talk) 07:53, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Acting career[edit]

According to the article, Poitier was "handily" rejected by audiences. What does "handily" mean in this context? "Handily" seems to be an adverb from "handy", but since (in UK usage at least) "handy" means "convenient", this seems to say that Poitier was "conveniently rejected by audiences". Surely this isn't what the article means to say! 62.252.232.18 (talk) 00:28, 14 November 2008 (UTC) Whoops. Logged in: Tonywalton Talk 00:38, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

"In 1963, Poitier became the first black man to win an Academy Award for Best Actor"[edit]

Was he also the first to be nominated? I think this is also relevant and interesting. Thanks Kvsh5 (talk) 09:34, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Hattie McDaniels was nominated and won for Gone With the Wind(1939).Ovr'apint (talk) 18:56, 22 August 2011 (UTC) So Poitier was the first MAN. Ovr'apint (talk) 19:06, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

The first paragraph[edit]

What's up with it? I don't know enough about the way page formatting works to identify what's gone wrong, but the formatting is definitely off.--72.130.131.28 (talk) 22:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Nationality[edit]

On the first sentance of the article on Sir Sidney Poitier, shouldn't it say he is a Bahamian-American actor, instead of African-American actor? He has close ties to the Bahamas, as well as the United States. Although born in the United States, he grew up in the Bahamas, and has been the Bahamian ambassador to Japan since 1997. Jordancelticsfan (talk) May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Concur. This is what is generally used for actors born or raised in other countires which their parents are from, regardless of status as a citizen now. His birth in the US was circumstantial. - BilCat (talk) 16:40, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
A quick look at the history of the article shows that "Bahamian American" or a similar form has been used for most of the article's history. At some point it was changed to Bahamian American with a hidden "US citizen comment". This is unnecessary, as the first line of the Bahamian American states "Bahamian Americans are citizens or residents of the United States of Bahamian ancestry." That fits Ambassador Poitier, does it not? - BilCat (talk) 16:40, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Sir Sidney Poitier[edit]

Please be advised that as the holder of an honorary, not substantive knighthood, Poitier is not referred to as Sir Sidney Poitier. As an honorary KBE, he entitled only to the postnomials after his name, i.e. Sidney Poitier, K.B.E.. Thanks. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 17:15, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

This isn't true. Portier's knighthood isn't honorary as the Bahamas uses the British honors system... as a citizen he is entitled to use "Sir" before his name. Similarly, if a holder of an honorary knighthood becomes a citizen of a Commonwealth realm their knighthood automatically becomes substantive. -- MichiganCharms (talk) 22:30, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Sir Sidney Poitier is entitled to be styled as 'Sir' as he is a Bahamian citizen, which also makes him a Bahamian subject, as The Bahamas is a Commonwealth realm, with Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II serving as Queen of the Bahamas. This means Sir Sidney's knighthood is substantive, and not honorary. Laggan Boy (talk) 19:59, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Per MOS:HONORIFIC, the Sir should not be used before his name. Read this guideline before making any further changes. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 17:37, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

People from Mt. Pleasant[edit]

On what basis is he in this category? Cloonmore (talk) 23:51, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Long Break From Acting[edit]

I believe Poitier quit acting for about ten years from the late 70's to the late 80's, but I don't know why. I think whatever the reason is should be included in the acting career portion of his page. All I know is that he wasn't in any movies but still directed movies during that time, most notably stir crazy. If anybody knows the story about his hiatus I think it should be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dancon7 (talkcontribs) 08:46, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Looking in IMDB I don't see signs of any such break. --ssd (talk) 14:43, 12 May 2013 (UTC)