Talk:Silver Jubilee Bridge

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Listed?[edit]

The bridge is in a 'listed' category, yet there is no mention of this in the text...

Error?

EdJogg 00:57, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks. Peter I. Vardy 08:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Silver Jubilee of what?[edit]

Guess it celebrates something in 1936, but what? Bevo74 (talk) 17:57, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just read the article. It's 1952 to 1977, 25 years after the Queen's accession.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:46, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Missed that. Thanks Bevo74 (talk) 21:24, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's never actually called "Silver Jubilee Bridge". It is univerally called "Runcorn Bridge". The article should reflect the real name that is used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.253.48.190 (talk) 12:07, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As this is an encyclopedia, the official name should be and is used. The owners of the bridge, and the ultimate authority on its title, are Halton Borough Council, and they consistently use "Silver Jubilee Bridge"; see here as an example. OS maps are not the ultimate authority; even they do not call it "Runcorn Bridge". --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:05, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The official name should not necessarily be used - see WP:COMMONNAME. Whilst the council may use its offical name, practically nobody else does. I suggest that the article be renamed. Bazonka (talk) 17:03, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with all the above, and none of what Vardy and his cronies say. I have never heard it called Silver Jubilee Bridge, and trust me, I have heard it called a number of (mostly obscene traffic-related) names. I say ignore, it just isn't worth it. Let the Wikinazis call it whatever they want. To the rest of us it will remain Runcorn Bridge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.103.130 (talk) 05:12, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you should request another page move. Bazonka (talk) 08:18, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page not moved. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 19:25, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Silver Jubilee Bridge → Runcorn Bridge – Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:07, 16 October 2011 (UTC) Per WP:COMMONNAME - almost nobody (except the local council) uses the bridge's official name. Bazonka (talk) 08:21, 9 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly oppose The title is the official name and any alternative would cause controversy about any "accepted title". Runcorn Bridge would be unacceptable to those living in Widnes; as would Widnes Bridge to Runcornians. So we could have Runcorn-Widnes Bridge; or should it be Widnes-Runcorn Bridge? And we already have a Runcorn Railway Bridge, so would it have to be Runcorn Road Bridge, or any of the other possibilities including "Road". Let's keep it simple, avoid controversy and stick with the official title; otherwise there will be ongoing bids for further moves. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:48, 9 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I don't think anybody anywhere refers to it as the "Widnes Bridge", although both "Widnes-Runcorn Bridge" and "Runcorn-Widnes Bridge" are used. I'd be happy with either of those alternatives. The problem with the name "Silver Jubilee Bridge" is that it is not geographically descriptive, and meaningless to anyone who isn't familiar with it (which includes most of the population of Runcorn and Widnes I suspect). Bazonka (talk) 18:00, 9 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Those suggested titles still do not get around the potential confusion with the railway bridge.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:53, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

But by your argument, the Runcorn Railway Bridge article should be renamed to Ethelfleda Bridge (or possibly Britannia Bridge). I disagree that there would be any significant confusion - I'm sure that no-one thinking of the name "Runcorn Bridge" would picture the rail bridge in preference to the road bridge - in any case, an otheruses template could be added to the top of the article to redirect the small minority of people who go to the wrong article. Bazonka (talk) 07:37, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note that I have raised this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cheshire, Talk:Runcorn and Talk:Widnes. Bazonka (talk) 07:43, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Runcorn–Widnes Bridge is the most commonly used name in my experience as a former resident. I suggest that as the best article title (with en dash and redirect from the hyphen variant, per MOS:ENDASH). I have never heard that term used to mean the adjacent railway bridge, though it may transfer to the proposed new road bridge. Certes (talk) 10:37, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

At the moment, the new crossing is being called the Mersey Gateway.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 12:14, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I use the bridge quite regularly, and I've always called it the Runcorn Bridge, as have my friends in Runcorn and Widnes. I've never heard anyone call it the Silver Jubilee Bridge. Added to which the bridge is crossing what is known as the Runcorn Gap, not the Runcorn–Widnes Gap. Malleus Fatuorum 05:08, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Volunteer required please to deal with the expected flak from Widnesians. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:51, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There hasn't been any flak so far, and I have raised this at Talk:Widnes. I think most people in Widnes call it the Runcorn Bridge because it's the bridge to Runcorn. In any case, it's certainly not known as the Silver Jubilee Bridge there. Bazonka (talk) 16:18, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A sign on the Moor Lane/Kingsway roundabout in Widnes clearly points to "Runcorn Bridge". Check it out on Google Streetview: 53°21′43″N 2°44′4″W / 53.36194°N 2.73444°W Bazonka (talk) 18:27, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support per COMMONNAME. --John (talk) 16:25, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Just received a communication from Runcorn Liberal Party who refer to the Silver Jubilee Bridge; evidence of the use of this title within Runcorn. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:57, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have no doubt that that title is used in some contexts, but it is certainly not the common name. Bazonka (talk) 20:28, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In today's Runcorn Weekly News there are two stories about the bridge. On every instance it is referred to as Silver Jubilee Bridge; never as Runcorn Bridge, even though it is a Runcorn local paper. An iPhone app is being released called HBC Bridge — now there's a new contender for the title! --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:12, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I bet many of the readers of the Weekly News thought "Where's that? Ah, they must mean the Runcorn Bridge..." Bazonka (talk) 16:59, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not at all. Runcornians, despite their reputation, are more intelligent than you might suggest.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 18:55, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am not suggesting anything about their intelligence, but about their knowledge of a relatively little-used name - do not confuse the two. Bazonka (talk) 19:29, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

According to common name it states "it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources". Is the local newspaper not a reliable source? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:56, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Of course it's reliable, but then so are the BBC, Warrington Guardian, and Liverpool Echo, which use "Runcorn Bridge". Bazonka (talk) 20:25, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I think this is a slightly unusual case because of the ambiguity of Runcorn Bridge. The question is, how to best name the articles so readers can find what they want? While we certainly should not prefer the official name to the most common name all things being equal, they're not equal. The official name seems to be reasonably common, unambiguous, and the best choice in this particular case. Andrewa (talk) 17:32, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I performed a WP:Google test and did not see enough bias towards the common name to support this move. I looked at both news and the web. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 02:56, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Most of the roadsigns near it just say "The Bridge". That's also what all the locals refer to it as. It's just as an appropriate name as "Runcorn bridge", although equally unclear and inaccurate. No, it should stay at its official name to avoid confusion, for clarity, and because it's what the bridge is called. fish&karate 10:48, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

What the fuck is "Silver Jubilee Bridge"? It's called Runcorn Bridge. I think this "silver jubilee" nonsense is some kind of hoax or other vandalism. If someone called it anything other than "runcorn bridge" in real life you'd know they were some sort of space alien or replicant or something. Only an incredibly, vanishingly small amount of people would know what was meant.