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"Third-largest community?"[edit]

When the entire portion of Montgomery County, Maryland using Silver Spring addresses is taken into account, the population can swell to over 250,000 people, comparable to mid-sized American cities such as Buffalo, New York and St. Paul, Minnesota. In the Washington-Baltimore region, Silver Spring is the third-largest community, behind the cities of Baltimore, Maryland and Washington, D.C., and ahead of Arlington, Virginia and Alexandria, Virginia.

This is kind of an odd statement. If by "community" you mean CDP, than there are quite a few larger CDPs in the CSMA (starting with Columbia, of all places.) If it means "postal designation," then the Alexandria PD is certainly larger than Silver Spring, as it includes most of southern Fairfax County (22 zips, total.) Why the "larger-than-thou" factoid? --Browncat 05:53, 21 September 2005 (UTC)


Alexandria has a set and rigid boundary and thus has a set population that is easily accounted for. Same for Washington DC and Baltimore. It would be "cheating" to include addresses outside of Alexandria proper in this count especially because that would require counting people in an entirely different municipality (Fairfax County in this case). I've never heard of anyone who claimed to live in Alexandria, but actually lived in Fairfax County.

This is not true. I live well into Fairfax County and have an Alexandria mailing address and zip code. And I am not the farthest out to say the least. —Xanderer 13:36, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
I Don't know if it's still true, but the post office in downtown Wheaton was considered to be a Silver Spring branch.

All in all this means that if Silver Spring were incorporated to include all the people who claim to have Silver Spring addresses, it would be the third largest city behind Baltimore and Washington, DC. In fact, there's no need to even include all of those people to become the third largest city in the DC/Baltimore metro area since it would only require 130,000 of the almost 250,000 who have Silver Spring addresses (it would require 187,000 to beat out Arlington, which is a county, not a city). As it is now, Silver Spring is the largest community outside of DC and Baltimore.

First of all, I know plenty of people--starting with my sister and her husband's family--who are residents of Alexandria, Fairfax but refer to themselves as Alexandrians. Local newscasters refer to the "Alexandria part of Fairfax." There was even a John Kelly column about "The Alexandrification of Northern Virginia" a few days ago. I mean: "community" is a pretty ambiguous term, isn't it? So I think it's just as legitimate to include Hybla Valley or Belle View or Lincolnia in a definition of the Alexandria "community" as it is to include Wheaton in the Silver Spring "community."
I sense you're trying to say something about how large Silver Spring is for an entirely-unincorporated place. That is, after all, what makes SS unique. But "community" is not an official designation, and your claim, as written, is also true of Alexandria, Arlington, Rockville, Fairfax, and probably a few other places. (And yes, I'm only picking at the claim because the article specifically mentions Arlington and Alexandria.) --Browncat 07:24, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Transportation[edit]

A "transportation" section is due for Silver Spring. I personally know Silver Spring because of its easy access to the redline of the Washington metro.

The transportation section as currently written would lead a reader to think that all of Silver Spring was transit-oriented development (it's not), with the emphasis on Metrorail and the un-built Purple Line. I have attempted to remedy that by adding references to the InterCounty Connector. Cpzilliacus (talk) 03:41, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


Goldie Hawn[edit]

A native/resident of Silver Spring? As I recall she actually grew up in Takoma Park. --Spyneyes 03:05, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I also recall that she grew up in Takoma Park. Although she did go to Montgomery Blair Highschool. Remove? Move to the Takoma Park page? There is not yet a famous resident list for Takoma Park squirrelist 20:45, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I propose this list be "firmed up" with citations. I'm nearly certain Goldie Hawn is from Takoma Park, and several others on this list are dubious as well. (Sylvester Stallone anyone?) —xanderer 21:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, Goldie Hawn did in fact grow up in Takoma Park, somewhere in the neighborhood just north of Jequie Park, south of Takoma Park Middle School, and, if I remember correctly, somewhere near Buffalo St./Rd./Pl./something... Fireheat624 (talk) 00:06, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
This Washington Post article from 2005 referencing resident Donna Wulkan, MD SDAT public records , and The Silver Bee make a good case Goldie Hawn lived at 9 Cleveland Ave, Takoma Park.—BoboLink81 (talk) 17:56, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Notable residents section of article[edit]

If the list continues to grow (for example, I think Jack Abramoff should be added), it will overshadow the rest of the article. Then it should go somewhere else - I've seen separate articles titled "List of ....", for example. (The other option would be to create a category.) John Broughton 12:51, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Local school's article ("Thornton Friends School") nominated for deletion[edit]

FYI, the article, Thornton Friends School, has been nominated for deletion due to possible lack of notability; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thornton Friends School for the discussion. As an alternative to full deletion or retention, it's been suggested that the article might be somehow merged into this article or some other local article. --A. B. 20:08, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Silver Spring's Turf[edit]

This article should mentioned the area in downtown Silver Spring that was covered with artificial grass. It had became a popular gathering place and was the location of some outdoor events. It was decided to remove the turf and build a skating rink in it's place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.164.202.130 (talkcontribs)

Unfortunately, I wish it were considered notable, despite the sheer number of people who didn't seem to care when it got removed. It might actually become more notable once we have sources for the plaza replacement, which we won't until or unless the disastrous nature of the new 1970s-style plaza becomes more apparent. I.e. we need a source comparing the new plaza to the astroturf. Has anyone written about the subject? Yclept:Berr (talk) 02:29, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Crime section[edit]

There should be a section on crime, as a new resident here I am shocked at the number of stabbings and shootings. One of each happened in front of my place this week (within a 100 yards of my front door). I'll do a bit of research and put in some stats if no one objects. 209.190.248.102 07:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Sure, if you can find some numbers, that'd be great. My only concern is that given the personal experience you've had, there might be some conflict of interest in you writing the section, so just watch out for that. Thanks for your contributions! – DroEsperanto(talk|contribs) 19:43, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
it's a problem that has been going on for a long time (it occurs in all of the suburbs of DC, and not just silver spring), and as usual it won't make the news unless there is a story behind it (hence why you usually don't hear anything about the 12-24 stabbings every night in DC). the good thing about silver spring is that the police have at least taken care of most of the crime that was happening before the mid-2000s. my point is good luck getting any crime sections in this wikipedia because i think they are more willing to spin the facts to put silver spring in a positive light than show all known facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.34.93.71 (talk) 18:00, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Silver Spring online news sites[edit]

Question for the group: Is The Silver Spring Penguin suitable for inclusion in the external links section per WP:EL? Silverspring and I have had some back and forth about this, and it's a bit of a stalemate. I contend it's a blog (i.e. it goes off), while they contend it's a legitimate online news site. Thoughts? SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:58, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with user Silverspring that the Silver Spring Scene, Silver Spring Penguin, and Just Up The Pike etc are news sources. I'm not sure how you define "legitimate" but what you probably consider "official" news sources like the Washington Post and Gazette have time after time taken original reportings from these sites and made articles out them. These aren't personal blogs but sites that report very mircolevel news about Silver Spring. Question for you, even if these "blogs" "go off" are you willing to discredit the Gazette and Washington Post since they contain bias opinionated articles and editorials? What makes these sites "illegitimate" if they write exclusive news content that the big boys copy? 69.251.249.6 (talk) 06:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

RFC for Silver Spring Online News[edit]

Does The Silver Spring Penguin go against WP:EL as a blog, or is it a legitimate news site? 23:48, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes. As so do the others, they are what is a newly formed market of microlevel news sources. Please explain your stance, I have above. 69.251.249.6 (talk)
No, it seems to be a valid local journalism site that is merely published electronically rather than requiring the traditional (and highly capital-intensive) printing press and paper-based distribution of news. Seems to be a pretty solid example of the recent phenomenon of citizen journalism. N2e (talk) 16:06, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

History of Silver Spring with no mention of the Beltway?[edit]

The Capital Beltway is (IMO) the "main street" of the region and of Silver Spring, yet no mention of it (until now) in the history section. Cpzilliacus (talk) 03:41, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Silver Spring Economy Section section blanking by User:98.248.32.178[edit]

Please state logical and valid reasons for your continuous section blanking of the Silver Spring Economy Section. The section is a work in progress and will be added to overtime, you have no valid reason for removing it. All the information is factual, it even has a description and no dead links as you were refering to. Please refer me to the Wikipedia section that states a place article page cannot start off with the an area economy after the intro if at all possible. Again state a valid reason for your section blanking.

Waveshi (talk) 01:38, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

While I'm not that IP, I did revert your previous edits. I did that because they clearly were promoting a non-neutral point of view, and were not very informative: they served more to say "Silver Spring is super-great and terrific" (pardon the exaggeration) than to give any substantive facts. The use of a list of large companies to substantiate your unreferenced claims about the strength of Silver Spring's economy constitutes original research, which is not allowed under Wikipedia policies.
That being said, I don't disagree with the concept of having an economy section. If you find some sources that support what you were writing, and if you can write it in a fairly NPOV way (it doesn't have to be perfect, of course), then by all means go ahead and add it. If you'd like to work on it in stages, consider using a subpage such as at Talk:Silver Spring/Economy workpage. Make sure you mark {{Workpage}} at the top. Anyway, that's my two cents on the issue. If you feel differently, let's discuss it. – DroEsperanto(t / c) 02:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Indeed, the concept of a section on the economy of Silver Spring is a good one. As long as it is neutrally written and referenced out the wazoo, of course. However, both Waveshi and 98.248.32.178 violated WP:3RR in the course of their edit war, and both have been given 24-hour blocks to prevent further disruption. Hopefully, while blocked, both will take the opportunity to step back and realize just what they were doing that led to the block, consider the suggestions given on this talk page, and return tomorrow to edit harmoniously. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree with DroEsperanto and SchuminWeb - an economy section is a good idea, but the specific one which was being warred over wasn't really up to snuff. Some ideas: include specific numbers (XXX dollars sales, XXX square feet office space, XXX employees, etc), shy away from specific companies/agencies (just because it is a real pain trying to figure out who to list and who not, and a laundry list doesn't really enlighten the reader anyway), try to find some reports from economic development agencies (or whoever publishes relevant stuff). Kingdon (talk) 19:40, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Exactly! SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Neighborhoods[edit]

The following text w/ some corrections was proposed for a section towards the end of the article and got removed:

Neighborhoods (section) (or, a list page: Silver Spring, Maryland Neighborhoods)[edit]

  • Downtown Silver Spring: (Georgia Avenue/Route 29, bordered by Spring Street)
    A major central business district, with a mixed-use commercial center and headquarters of several national organizations.
  • East Silver Spring: (Sligo / Wayne Avenues, Piney Branch Road and the Flower Theater district)
    A mixed-income, older area of houses and apartments, with its own small commercial area centered on Piney Branch Road.
  • Fenton District: (Old Silver Spring, north of the B&O railroad tracks)
    A main street commercial district built at the turn of the 20th century, home to restaurants, small shops, and service-oriented retail.
  • Forest Glen, Maryland: (Georgia Avenue south of Wheaton)
    A primarily residential subdivision, home of Holy Cross Hospital and adjacent to Kensington, Maryland.
  • Four Corners, Maryland: (between Sligo and Northwest Branch at University/Route 29)
    A self-contained suburban neighborhood with its own commercial center and Montgomery Blair High School.
  • Hillandale, Maryland and Burnt Mills: (New Hampshire and Plyers Mill Road, north of the Beltway)
    A suburban subdivision south of the FDA campus, relatively affluent and multiethnic.
  • Kemp Mill, Maryland: (University and Kemp Mill Road, north of Four Corners)
    A predominantly orthodox Jewish community east of Wheaton Regional Park.
  • Long Branch / Indian Spring: (Between the Creeks, south of the Beltway)
    A mixed-income subdivision of small suburban homes and apartments, centered on Flower Avenue.
  • North Takoma: (unincorporated area of Takoma Park south of Sligo Avenue)
    Home of Montgomery College Takoma Park-Silver Spring campus.
  • Oakview: (New Hampshire Avenue south of the Beltway)
    An isolated subdivision of Adelphi, Maryland separated by Northwest Branch and the county line.
  • Rolling Terrace / Clifton Park (University Boulevard east of Long Branch Park)
    A primarily immigrant community adjacent to Langley Park, Maryland, part of the "International Corridor".
  • South Silver Spring (between the Metro / B&O railroad tracks and the D.C. line)
    A "gateway" commercial district of small shops and high-rise apartment buildings.
  • West Silver Spring (Grubb Road / Seminary)
    A community of postwar garden apartments, Capital Crescent Trail and the industrial Walter Reed Annex.
  • White Oak, Maryland (New Hampshire/Route 29 between Northwest Branch and Paint Branch)
    A suburban interchange with large apartment complexes, shopping center, and the FDA campus.
  • Woodside (north of Downtown Silver Spring, south of the Beltway)
    Historically a predominantly jewish community, now an affluent neighborhood of large older homes.

Justification[edit]

Silver Spring is a community of discrete neighborhoods, and some are even separate planning districts. These neighborhoods are of sufficient local interest to be worthy of note in an article about Silver Spring, but do not need their own pages. Only a few of these neighborhoods have their own pages: the ones that are not in the Silver Spring CDP. Those outlying places have their own pages because they're a CDP. They're all on the edge of Silver Spring "proper", according to the census bureau. E.g:

The following not-intrinsically-notable housing subdivisions (per Wikipedia:Run of the mill), but they complete the list of neighborhoods inside the Silver Spring CDP, since they are isolated jurisdictionally from their natural neighbors and included in Silver Spring by default:

The inner neighborhoods, despite being more populous, are all in a single CDP (Silver Spring) and don't have their own pages, like, say, Hillandale. Here's a justification for listing the following, here or on a separate page:

  • Downtown Silver Spring -- already a focus of article. included for the sake of distinguishing other areas. Fenton District -- historic town center, focus of redevelopment efforts, had its own National Trust Main Street program. South Silver Spring -- part of Downtown Silver Spring, home of Blair estate and Acorn park, has its own Gateway plan. -- Long Branch and East Silver Spring - notable for containing the International Corridor around the Flower shopping center. Much larger than a lot of areas, has its own separate master plan and everything. Woodside - historic district (unsure if it's registered or not) with a long history. -- West Silver Spring - large, completely distinct area containing the National Park Seminary Historic District, Walter Reed Annex, and its own proposed rail station. Four Corners - really a completely self-contained enclave, separated by the Beltway and Sligo Creek Park. It's the only place north of the beltway included in the census definition of Silver Spring, though.

I am not proposing stub pages for these... They do deserve slight mention in a page about Silver Spring, however. If a section on neighborhoods is not needed, perhaps it should be put on a page, e.g: "Silver Spring, Maryland Neighborhoods". Most of these neighborhoods are as big or bigger than most CDPs in Maryland, do not need their own separate articles, but to be cited for the reason that Silver Spring is not a homogeneous area.
Edited for clarity by Yclept:Berr (talk) 10:54, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

The problem with including neighborhoods like this is that the boundaries of Silver Spring are undefined. For instance, I live in Aspen Hill, Maryland (five miles outside the Beltway). My mailing address is Silver Spring. Do I live in a neighborhood of Silver Spring? What about Glenmont, Maryland? Same idea. You see where this gets a bit dicey. It strays into original research just a bit to say that certain areas are neighborhoods of Silver Spring, etc. specifically because the boundaries are undefined.
I think it would be best to let sleeping dogs lie on this one, just because it's difficult, if not impossible, to define exactly what to define Silver Spring as due to its being a CDP in unincorporated Montgomery County, and not a municipality with defined city or town limits (compare to Rockville, Maryland, which is an incorporated municipality). SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:31, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
I hear what you're saying, but... Once you get beyond the Silver Spring CDP, all those small outlying neighborhoods already have their own wikipedia pages, not so much because they are notable as because WP considers CDPs inherently notable. The real issue here is the neighborhoods within the CDP don't get that mention. of the neighborhoods listed above, only a few (the ones that already have their own wiki pages :-) are not in the area already defined by the census as Silver Spring. We could do a list (here or on a separate page) of:
The Silver Spring CDP contains the following neighborhoods: ( that don't have their own pages)
  • Downtown / Fenton / East Silver Spring / West Silver Spring / South Silver Spring / Rolling Terrace / Clifton Park / Between the Creeks (Long Branch / Indian Spring) / Four Corners / Woodside -- Oakview (the latter for completeness sake; the census really should count it as Adelphi, there's not even a road between it and Silver Spring) ...
The following outlying CDPs are sometimes considered by official body X's really broad definition to also be part of Silver Spring: This would limit outlying neighborhoods to places with their own wiki pages, since that appears to be WP policy for smaller, unincorporated areas.
Does any organization consider the following part of Silver Spring?
I mean, the post office thinks Langley Park is in Hyattsville. Maybe it was in 1940:
Hmm. I will wait for more feedback on this and come back to it later. Thanks for your reply. Yclept:Berr (talk) 03:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Edited for clarity by Yclept:Berr (talk) 10:54, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
The whole thing kind of seems like a moot point to me unless we can get reliable sourcing for what is "sometimes considered" in the Silver Spring CDP. Let's table for now unless/until we get some really good reliable sources to back it all up. SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:49, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
I was mainly concerned for the places that are actually inside the official census area, as they have no mention in the article. The official census map defines it as places inside the Beltway, plus Four Corners. But then, you're right it might not make sense to list those and not outlying areas.
One other issue to consider is that there is no easy way of navigating from the Silver Spring, Maryland page to, say, Fairland, Maryland. One solution would be to use the largest "official" definition (post office?) as the outside boundary (see above) and cite those areas (census districts only) so that people actually have a way of finding those pages. Anyway... Yclept:Berr (talk) 11:26, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Proposal for adding 2010 hostage taking at DCI HQ to history[edit]

I feel as though the 2010 Discovery Communications HQ hostage crisis is at least worth noting somewhere in the history section, considering all the other arguably trivial events that are discussed. After all, the DCI HQ is an icon of downtown Silver Spring and the hostage crisis was a "big deal" and got a considerable amount of media attention. Just a suggestion, though I suppose someone else would have to be willing to insert at least a short paragraph with a "see [this page]" link on it, as I'm no Wikipedia expert...
Thanks, 71.163.128.20 (talk) 02:02, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm tempted to say let's not because of WP:NOTNEWS at this point. Otherwise we end up with a problem with recentism. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:10, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
I agree Smooth Henry (talk) 10:18, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

no mention of the state of downtown silver spring before the revitalization of 2004?[edit]

being a lifelong citizen i remember most of the areas around the city place mall being in ruins (or empty abandoned shops if that is a preffered term)... the afi silver theater being one of the many abandoned buildings in the area of that section of downtown silver spring... or is there no mention because this article is meant to put silver spring in a good light instead of providing all historical facts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.34.93.71 (talk) 17:53, 14 April 2014 (UTC)