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Despite the copyvio it deserves it's own article, so I wrote a new one from scratch. 68.81.231.127 23:58, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Color[edit]

The mention of the orange and black color was removed by Dinoguy, with the edit summary no specific colors mentioned in this paper. But the Nature article states, "The two most common types of melanin are the reddish-brown to yellow pigment phaeomelanin and the black-grey pigment eumelanin. [...] Our identification of both eumelanosomes and phaeomelanosomes implies that some basal birds and non-avian theropods had black and russet coloration. In Sinornithosaurus the filaments are locally dominated either by eumelanosomes or phaeomelanosomes, indicating significantly different colour tones."

Can we please restore the color? Right now, the article states that Sinornithosaurus was multicolored, but doesn't mention what those colors were. Firsfron of Ronchester 16:36, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, we could put two and two together, but saying "orange and black" is unsubstantiated. Why not red brown and gray? Yellow and black? Red and black? The Sinosauropteryx section says specifically chestnut and white, so that's verifiable, but in this case I don't see why orange and black are, especially given that another paper detailing specifics of the colors and patterns if forthcoming, so anything we write will probably be shown wrong (or at least in more detail) in a few months. Dinoguy2 (talk) 18:23, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough; we'll wait for the forthcoming paper. Firsfron of Ronchester 18:35, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion for change[edit]

Currently the article says: "This contradicts one argument made by critics of the theory that birds evolved from dinosaurs.[3]"

It should say: "This supports one argument made by critics of the theory that birds evolved from dinosaurs.[3]"

The fact that the earliest dromaeosaurs were more like birds than the later dromaeosaurs contradicts the dinosaur to bird theory and therefore supports critics of the theory that birds evolved from dinosaurs.

If there is no objection I will change it accordingly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pterosaurus (talk • contribs) 13:40, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's not what the source concluded. When you publish your fascinating theories on the pterosaur origin of birds, you can add your objections to Wikipedia. MMartyniuk (talk) 00:21, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why should it be contradictory? If anything, it supports birds+dinosaurs. If dromaeosaurids and birds shared an ancestor, later dromaeosaurids *should* be less bird-like than early dromaeosaurids because they've diverged more. J. Spencer (talk) 00:53, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

MMartyniuk- you realize that what I have proposed has nothing to do with pterosaurs, right? It would be a shame if people misunderstood you. Pterosaurus (talk) 17:28, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you're not trying to support the same OR theory from you blog, why all the recent edits in your User Contributions section which seem to cherry pick data from papers and then draw the opposite conclusion from what the authors wrote? Including the example you proposed above. MMartyniuk (talk) 23:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OR theory? What are you talking about? Pterosaurus (talk) 23:20, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

MMartyniuk. I had been respectful and collegial when I posted the change (see above) that I was proposing. And even though I am correct in what I was proposing I did not post it (or dispute it) when you and J. Spencer indicated that you had reservations. You are being disrespectful and confrontational. And you have unilaterally removed another entry I made at "Evolution of Birds", because you yourself do not see the relevance and because it seems to you to be a misinterpretation of the source's conclusion. You did not inquire of me first about your removal. I quoted a legitimate research article in accord with Wikipedia standards. If you have a problem with such material consult with me first. I will reinstate the material on "Evolution of Birds" shortly, unless you correspond with me about your concerns. Pterosaurus (talk) 23:41, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Sinornithosaurus[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Sinornithosaurus's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "longrich&currie2009":

From Hesperonychus: Longrich, N.R. and Currie, P.J. (2009). "A microraptorine (Dinosauria–Dromaeosauridae) from the Late Cretaceous of North America." Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 106(13): 5002–5007. doi:10.1073/pnas.0811664106
From Velociraptor: Longrich, N.R.; Currie, P.J. (2009). "A microraptorine (Dinosauria–Dromaeosauridae) from the Late Cretaceous of North America". PNAS. 106 (13): 5002–7. Bibcode:2009PNAS..106.5002L. doi:10.1073/pnas.0811664106. PMC 2664043. PMID 19289829.
From Shanag: Longrich, N.R.; Currie, P.J. (2009). "A microraptorine (Dinosauria–Dromaeosauridae) from the Late Cretaceous of North America". PNAS. 106 (13): 5002–7. doi:10.1073/pnas.0811664106. PMC 2664043. PMID 19289829.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 16:25, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Taxobox Image[edit]

@FunkMonk: I'm suggesting a change in the taxobox image, replacing the current image with a new photo of the entire holotype specimen. While the proposed image isn't the best in clarity, it is the holotype and we can be sure that this is a real specimen, not a cast. With the one at the Hong Kong Science Museum, we don't know if it is a cast or not. A second opinion would be better.BleachedRice (talk) 02:48, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The photo I'm suggesting.

It is very hard to see what the image depicts, though. We should generally have recognisable images in the taxoboxes, but we don't really have great photos of any Sinornithosaurus fossils. Maybe one of the skeletal diagrams would be best. FunkMonk (talk) 02:54, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hoax[edit]

The was proved a hoax years ago. National Geographic and Smithsonian apologised for falling for it. 79.106.203.94 (talk) 13:39, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're thinking of Archaeoraptor. Nothing to do with this. FunkMonk (talk) 01:32, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]