Talk:Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year

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independent Manchester United Supporters Club[edit]

Is there such a thing? Does this actually refer to IMUSA? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomlock01 (talkcontribs) 21:57, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Indeed there was such a thing until 1987. That year, the club took charge of the supporters' club, at which time it ceased to be the "independent Manchester United Supporters' Club" and simply became the "Manchester United Supporters' Club", later known as "One United". – PeeJay 23:57, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Righteo. Tomlock01 (talk) 14:30, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Incomplete?[edit]

Is this list incomplete? I have a source that says that Willie Morgan won the supporters player of the year in 1970; was this a different award?

Also, does anyone know of a more reliable source for the winners? Tom (talk) 16:45, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

It was a different award. Before 1987 (when the official supporters club was established), the award was run by the independent Manchester United Supporter's Club mentioned above, which was therefore an unofficial award. – PeeJay 16:57, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Duh! I remember thinking this last time I asked this question above. Sorry! In that case, if sources can be found, would it be appropriate to create a separate article for that award, or merge it with this article?
I don't think I've ever seen any sources for a full list of pre-1987 winners – the only one I know about is Willie Morgan in 1970 – so I don't know if it would even be possible to create a separate article for the pre-1987 award. – PeeJay 17:22, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Also, couldn't this be a featured list? I notice Norwich and a few others have featured lists for their respective awards... Tom (talk) 17:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
This could easily be a featured list, provided that we find decent sources. Apart from the one that's already in place, I only have one source that lists winners, and that only goes back to the 1996 award. Lame! – PeeJay 17:22, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Hmm that is lame. I've emailed the editor of the website currently used as a source to see if he has any ideas. Tom (talk) 17:44, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Good plan. I hope it turns out well! – PeeJay 19:13, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Table[edit]

I won't restore my edits again, to avoid violating WP:3RR - but I would like to outline the reasons why I made the changes I did and why I think my version is superior to the current version, as reverted to by PeeJay2K3.

Having 6 columns is totally unnecessary. The season, name and position are obviously necessary, but I can figure out no reason for the references column - the most obviously valid place for the references is in the name column, not a separate column.

The nationality column is also superfluous - every single good list of footballers on Wikipedia lists them with flags before the names, not written out nationalities. It has been suggested that this is preferable for sorting by nationality, but I fail to see why that would be necessary - there is a separate table below outlining wins by nationality, plus the table is small enough to work out who is from where anyway.

The notes column is also ridiculous. It is obvious from the first appearance of the English flag (whether that be before the name or in a separate column), who is the first English recipient - and from the number of times they appear in the table, it is obvious how many times each recipient has won the award (it's outlined in the opening paragraph too, anyway). Furthermore, outlining facts such as the first non-European recipient is totally unnecessary - anyone concerned enough to want to know this fact (which is totally irrelevant to the subject at hand) can not only find it out easily through researching the nationalities presented, they likely already knows their geography well enough to work it out. If you can't work out who the first English recipient is, I doubt your the sort of person who cares.

Anyway, I won't restore my version again - I just wanted to outline my reasons, for your consideration, with the hope that some of my points may be noted. - HIGHFIELDS (TALKUPLOADS) 01:32, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

I can live with the Notes column being removed, but if you delete the Nationality column, I believe the table loses a useful function. Just because other tables indicate nationality with a flag next to the player's name doesn't mean this one has to. The references column is also much of a muchness, but I would like to hear other people's opinions on the matter. – PeeJay 12:12, 8 January 2014 (UTC)