Talk:Slavs

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Mosaic in infobox[edit]

Slavs mosaic.jpg

Hallo! I created a mosaic with 30 famous persons from different slavic countries, aranged chronologically by date of birth. It will seems good if added this picture in infobox, by me.--Stolichanin (talk) 21:15, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

It is a great idea, by me. The images are clearly and tidy. In addition, there are more non-Russians and more women than current infobox photos, which is great. --151.237.102.118 (talk) 05:55, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much! It seems has no other opinions and I added this picture in infobox.--Stolichanin (talk) 06:28, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Would be better if it does include captions with names. For non-slavic people could be these persons unknown. Could you add it there? Jirka.h23 (talk) 09:02, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
The captions with names are include in infobox under the picture.--Stolichanin (talk) 09:29, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

The issue of images in the infobox comes up pretty often; I'm sure someone else will come along in several months and replace this one with their own. I'd much rather see no collage at all in the infobox. This one in particular seems to have a disproportionate amount of Bulgarians. --Local hero talk 18:08, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

What disproportionate amount of Bulgarians? Look at carefully! Bulgarians - 6, Poles - 6, Russians - 7. The Russians remain a majority in the picture. In the previous version they was 11, which was too much. I think you need to reduce the number of Russians to 6. --151.237.102.118 (talk) 06:43, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes, the number of Russians was too much in the previous version, so I reduce it to 7. But the faces in the photo are known and important people for the Slavs and the world as a whole. Their nationality is of secondary importance. However, the Russians are majority in the picture, because Russia is the largest Slavic country and has a many popular and significant people with international importance. Nobody of slavists and the people, who are interesting of history and culture of Slavs will agree with the views of Local hero that Bulgarians are too many. They are the same number as Poles. Bulgaria is the first Slavic state (681) and is one of the most influential countries in the history of the Slavs and Europe (the creation and spreading of the Cyrillic alphabet, the influence of Old Bulgarian culture and art over whole Slavic world, etc. Read First Bulgarian Empire,Second Bulgarian Empire and related articles - the first two persons in picture - Kliment Ohridski and Simeon the Great are representing this) and the fact that Bulgarians have also many world famous and significant people like a Vazov, Boris Christoff and Irina Bokova, who are proposed in the article. The same things are valid about Poland, which was other powerful and influential Slavic state (Read Rzecz Pospolita and related articles) and about Sienkiewicz, Chopin, Pope John Paul II, etc. As about the other countries, but these 3 states were comment by you. I mean the images are aranged chronologically, because these people representing different moments in the history of Slavs. The fact that one nation has 7 images, while others has 6 or 5 images is not relevant and it mean nothing. It is just one image with Slavic people. If we separate the persons by Slavic groups - the South Slavs have 11 persons, the West Slavs - 10, East Slavs - 9. But the Southern Slavic states are 7, while Eastern are 3 and Western are 3. But it is not so important. Moreover the nationality of some people (especially from former Yugoslavia) is controversial - Ivo Andric is thinking like Serbian, Bosnian and Croatian. But he is there as one of the greatest Slavic writers of 20th century. In addition these 3 countries are Slavic. And finally the number of women grow to 5--Stolichanin (talk) 08:08, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Would you mind logging in for all of your comments? Some might be mistaken and think that you and the IP are separate users.
Yes, I do believe there too many Bulgarians; One-fifth of the images are of Bulgarians while they only make up less than 3% of Slavs. Russians are by far the largest so, proportionally, they should have by far the most.
However, I think it should be based simply on who the most well-known individuals are. I've never heard of Bokova. That alone, of course, does not make her insignificant, but I do know that Peter the Great is far better known and does not appear in your collage. Novak Djokovic is one of the greatest tennis players of all time and didn't make it either.
I think your collage is flawed. I also think it may be tough to create an acceptable one. Thus, I'd rather we get rid of it altogether. --Local hero talk 15:19, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Kournikova is more greatest and popular than Djokovic. Local hero, for the first time your focus over Bulgarians surprise me, but I visited your page and now I understand what is the reason. You are our Macedonian brother, but pro-Yugoslavian Macedonian nationalist. Понеже и двамата сме българи, и произхождаме от един край (моята баба е от Скопие и аз имам лично отношение по този въпрос) дай да си пишем на български. Драги ми локален херой, няма да те убеждавам, че си българин, защото ти знаеш, че си българин. Ти си македонец, а аз съм половин македонец и половин софиянец. Общото е, че и двамата сме българи. Няма да ти обяснявам, че македонската нация е изкуствено създаден отвратителен проект на Коминтерна в лицето на Георги Димитров и Тито, защото ти го знаеш. Ако не го знаеш питай баба ти защо преди 1945 всички македонци са се смятали за българи. Не ме интересува кой югославски комунист от епохата Тито ти е промил мозъка, но в съвременния свят човек е свободен да се определя както си иска, дори като марсианец, така че аз уважавам твоя избор. Искам да те помоля да престанеш с тази омраза към българите. Не е нормално да мразиш собствения си народ. Откачено е. Не забравяй, че България беше първата държава, която призна Македония като отделна държава. Никой българин няма териториални претенции към Македония. Искаме просто вашата страна да спре да краде чужда история и да я фалшифицира (най-вече наша история, но и гръцка - пример: Александър Македонски). Благодаря!
P.S. тия 30 люде на сликата не са словени. Tия сите са македонци!--Stolichanin (talk) 16:34, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
The opinion of Local hero against Bulgarians may be was influenced by this. If it is just a individual opinion, which is not related to this, I apologize to User:Local hero. --Stolichanin (talk) 16:42, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Don't make this weird. Despite being a 'pro-Yugoslav Macedonian nationalist', I made no complaints at the lack of ethnic Macedonians in your collage. Clearly, the only bias visible here is yours. The current infobox personalities have been stable for at least a year or so. Thus, you'd need a consensus to change it, as Al Khazar states below. And apparently the style you've used goes against standards as well. --Local hero talk 18:15, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Who "ethnic Macedonian" is missing in the collage? Alexander the Great? Gotse Delchev? Tsar Samuil? Will Smith? The truth is never against standards. --Stolichanin (talk) 18:40, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Strongly Oppose: This proposition of yours is completely irrational. The style used is obsolete and not encouraged by Wikipedia's standards so keep that in mind. I expect a properly made consensus. Not one were you gain support from IP addresses. Khazar (talk) 18:02, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Khazar, if you want a properly made consensus, tell me what is your opinion (especially when you delete my contribs). Mosaics like this are using in many articles in Wikipedia - look at Germans, French people, Dutch people, Italians and many others. I think that it is the best way to representing the significant people of different nations and people.--Stolichanin (talk) 18:20, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Their common usage doesn't mean that it's acceptable. Just as Flags are discouraged from being used in infoboxes, so are the mosaics that are frequently used. However, most infoboxes contain both. Khazar (talk) 21:14, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

The new Mosaic is very bad, are all Slavs men and only one woman? that very funny — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.200.61.126 (talk) 22:22, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Adding another photo to the Photo Panel[edit]

I think that it would be fair if photos of Tchaikovsky, Chopin, and Dvorak, as the greatest Slavic composers, were added to the photo panel. They deserve to be there. 77.77.248.195 (talk) 16:17, 6 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.77.248.195 (talk) 16:15, 6 September 2014 (UTC)