Talk:Social issues in China

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Delete[edit]

This article should be deleted. First because it's only a list with no citation whatsoever. It's mostly likely just a list of opinions by some random person on how China should develop. Second, it only encourage the view of more foreigners who haven't experience China first hand that China is a crappy country. There is already enough "activists" on Wikipedia complaining about "human rights" issue in China. Also, most of the issues are already discussed in the other China articles.76.227.79.108 (talk) 07:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC) This article should be deleted with this hateable western point of view absolutely not scientific. ( Matt )

problems[edit]

Ohh so many problems... where to start writing?? Colipon+(T) 21:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

How about starting with "I will not arbitrarily add problems; I will not arbitrarily add problems". Talk about POV, did this list come out of someone's rear? Yongke 15:03, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Saying the problems are arbitrary is a bold move. Colipon+(T) 22:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

This is terrible -- many of the 'problems' could be attributed to any country, and some of them are meaningless. 'Lack of creativity' -- how do you measure that? This page should be turned into a proper analysis of the problems in China's massive transition, or deleted. Not left as a half-baked list of bad stuff that happens the world over. 212.113.198.67 11:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

What's the point of this page? All these issues are discussed in the other China articles.24.82.216.2 03:14, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

a citation[edit]

Here is: http://www.edu.cn/20010101/21915.shtml There is loads of other information on the internet about physical education in China. I think the whole page is utterly pointless but in particular I severely doubt that there a lack of physical education in China. This point at least should be removed it is completely unfounded. User: Wushu 1984 —Preceding undated comment was added at 21:01, 14 February 2009 (UTC).

This article blows[edit]

This article definitely blows right now, but the Social issues in the United States article shows that it can be done. We just need to add citations, remove BS, and cleanup the POV wording. Heroeswithmetaphors (talk) 13:16, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Overall this article seems good enough to me. But at some points, it seems like a western liberal freak wrote it. Most of it is solid. But there are too many sections where I, a rational human being, instantly disagree. That shouldn't happen on wikipedia. Here are the obvious problem sections:

Challenges to authority (what challenges? are there warlords out there I am unaware of?)

Discrimination against women (from a western liberal freak point of view, yes)

Loss of traditional Confucianism morals and beliefs (is this an issue that is necessarily bad? no)

New generation of Chinese embracing anything Western (again, why is this bad?)

Buddhism becoming commercialized (Christmas and Easter are commercialized, so what?)

Many new sections could also be added...most of this article avoids the elephant in the room, the government. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.67.252 (talk) 16:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Calling other editors "freaks" and implying that they are not rational is not how to approach editing Wikipedia. Try assuming good faith and avoiding attacking other editors. The article is not here to satisfy a Western POV or a Chinese nationalist POV, but to reflect reliable sources. Fences&Windows 02:40, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Working to Fix it[edit]

I have removed the following points with my reasons (aside from all of them being uncited).

Not true

  • “non-existing pension system” not what the IMF says. http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2009/wp09246.pdf
  • ”Uncontrollable flow of mass migration” not with the Haikou system but yes there is migration
  • ”Lack of multi-lingual abilities to compete in the globalized economy” yet the Chinese economy one of the world’s most competitive
  • Lack of job opportunities after graduation
  • “(includes Three Gorges Dam project)” in sacrificing environmental needs for economic gain. Removed for that is debateable.

This is so general it can be applied to any country in the world especially the US.

  • ”Corruption in Health care (lack of healthcare cover, hospital overcrowding and low wages prompt doctors to seek additional monetary incentive from patients)” corruption should go under corruption putting corruption under every heading just bloats the article and shows bias
  • Health care Underdeveloped
  • double standards in healthcare

The following cannot be any more vague

  • Parental and peer pressure on youth
  • Challenges to authority

The following cannot be any more general. We are talking big issues here not relatively “minor” and rapidly improving issues in China these same issues also are common to EVERY developing country.

  • Health care Lacks of modern equipment in rural areas.
  • Personal safety risks (especially in public places such as train stations)
  • ”Gambling and prostitution” the article is mostly about the topic’s history. I don’t see any glaring problems specific to China that is not applicable to other developed and developing countries.
  • Sanitation” seriously one word? No citations? No explanations?

So What?

  • Privatization of healthcare
  • ”New generation of Chinese embracing anything Western (pop music, western clothing, going to Starbucks, etc.), thus losing Chinese culture”. I wouldn’t say a mass exodus of Chinese culture and isn’t that happening everywhere.
  • Buddhism becoming commercialized
  • Most citizens live on the eastern half of China in cities like Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong

I will get citations for the rest left in the articleTerramorphous (talkcontribs) 21:52, 22 Jan 2012 (UTC)

Loss of culture - No way[edit]

The article states that many traditional customs and beliefs have been lost as a direct cause of the Cultural revolution, which is wrong. There is nothing that proves this statement to be true. The only direct cause on "traditions" from the Cultural revolution was the destruction of old buildings, temples and other religious places. But the customs and beliefs still live within the Chinese people. There may be a decreasing amount of Chinese people who still practice these traditions, but it's far from dead! Jonipoon 12:24 2 July 2013 (UTC)