Talk:Society of Jesus

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analogy[edit]

The Jesuits are to many Protestants what Freemasons are to Catholics.

I don't see the logic of the "analogy". Please explain if you put it back.

conspiracies abound about both groups, and in a bizarrely reciprocal relationship, especially in European countries. Maybe it's too light hearted for a main entry, and belongs under 'conspiracy theories' directly. I know that wikipedia isn't supposed to be a joke, but it isn't supposed to be as dry as britannica, either. *sigh*

--MichaelTinkler

The high-level Freemasons are subject, also, to the Jesuit General because the Jesuit General, with Fredrick the Great, wrote the High Degrees, the last 8 Degrees, of the Scottish Rite Freemasonry when Fredrick protected them when they were suppressed by the Pope in 1773.

Seljuk Turks reference[edit]

"In 1537 they travelled to Italy to seek papal approval for their order. Pope Paul III gave them a commendation, and permitted them to be ordained priests. They were ordained at Venice by the bishop of Arbe (June 24). They devoted themselves to preaching and charitable work in Italy, as the renewed war between the emperor, Venice, the pope and the Seljuk Turks rendered any journey to Jerusalem inadvisable."

How is this possible if Seljuk Turks ceased to exist in 13th century?

Catherina and Frederick[edit]

Catherine the Great and Frederick of Prussia refused to suppress the Jesuits.

current Father General biography[edit]

An addition about the current Father General, Peter-Hans Kolvenbach, would be helpful. He has a biography in the German Wikipedia, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hans_Kolvenbach, if anyone cares to translate it.

P.J.

wording question[edit]

"The Jesuits have frequently been described by Catholic and Protestant enemies as engaged in various conspiracies."

Does "Catholic and Protestant enemies" mean "enemies of Catholics and of Protestants" or "Catholics and Protestants who don't like the Jesuits"?

Additions and Editions[edit]

I added some info in the first paragraph about the Society of Jesus today.

I also clarified the Jesuits relationship to the Counter-Reformation in various places. The Jesuits were founded well before the council of Trent, and countering Protestantism was not a part of their foundational documents. Within the first generation, however, they had taken up reform of the Church and defense of the faith, and it is for this reason that they are associated with the Counter-Reformation. This relationship needs to be clarified.

I added a paragraph about the historical relationship between the Society of Jesus and the pope that helps to contextualize Ignatius statement about "thinking with the Church."

I expanded the section about the Spiritual Exercises, which had clearly been written by someone who did not have even a cursory knowledge of the work.

I also expanded the paragraph on Jesuit schools, adding info on the Jesuit commitment to the humanities and art. In addition, I clarified the Jesuit position on music and ceremony in Catholic ritual, which needed some context.

mikesj

BC founding[edit]

Boston College was first opened by Benedict Fenwick, SJ in 1827. 1863 is the year in which it was chartered by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Neither date is particularly relevant here. What is important is that it was among the first Jesuit colleges established in North America after the Restoration. Technically it was second after Saint Louis University (1818). Georgetown University was founded during the Suppression and only later put under the auspices of the Society.