Talk:Social issues in India

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Purpose of this page[edit]

This page is being created to put down all the social, economical and political problems faced by India. This is avoid excessive material on India page. This will be the parent article and link for this would be put on India page. --GPPande talk! 16:11, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Link to discussion[edit]

All are welcome here --GPPande talk! 18:15, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

this page seems to be a content fork of material already covered at Economy of India. --dab (𒁳) 20:26, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
No this highlights the economical problems. Yes, somewhat similar but would get its identity soon. --GPPande talk! 20:30, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

look, this article seems to consist of a simple copy-paste copy paste collection of material nicked off other articles. It doesn't have a clearly defined scope and simply duplicates content. All these issues are valid, of course, but all you have done is take good material and heap it up in a random way. dab (𒁳) 20:35, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

True, go through the link at the top of this thread to understand what is under discussion. --GPPande talk! 20:41, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't see a problem with having such an article, given similar articles. Maybe we need a unifying article such as this to link up the various specific articles. Copy-paste seems to me just a need to form a skeleton for the future development of the article. S h i v a (Visnu) 11:36, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

This article is out and out contrived OR (where is the RS which describes these issues as "Socio-economic" "issues"? Or more precisely, where is the RS which, for instance categorizes corruption as an "Economic issue" or "Press freedom" as 'Human rights' and so and so forth? This article is also possibly a GFDL vio. Sarvagnya 18:53, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

You bet. Anything else? Like this article is an abuse of the "Great Indian Society" and maybe a notorious handiwork of even Hindi speaking folks? --GPPande talk! 19:44, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Actually, if you use information from another article by copying it you are supposed to attribute it by acknowledging it in the edit summary. If you wrote the fork yourself then it doesn't matter, but it isn't a big drama, if it was someone else's you can just make a null edit now and acknowledge it in the edit summary. YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model!) 23:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
This is a parent article to all the child articles of various problems in India. I have already acknowledged the main article by using template:main at the top of each section (below section heading) . Also, WP encourages that parent article to include only the lead paragraphs of the child articles. I don't understand how this is copyvio? --GPPande talk! 07:12, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, WP doesn't assume that all articles that acknowledge "main/seealso" are copied from the leads of the daughter article, there are many articles where the main/seealso actually contradicts the article that it cites. If you look at AFDs sometimes, some people will say "merge and delete" and other people will point out that it is invalid because it violates GFDL- because the history is supposed to contain a record of all the contributors to the work, which is why when you merge you keep the redirect so that the record of contributions is kept. So that's why the convention is too say "forked from ..." when you do a merge or a fork. So this copyvio can be turned into a non-copyvio simply by acknowledging in the edit summary. Nothing to worry about, YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model!) 08:13, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I got you. I will follow suit to mention in edit summary in future. Also, many other users have been adding data to this article since I created it. I am sure, very soon this article will have it's own identity. --GPPande talk! 08:31, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Socioeconomic[edit]

From my understanding, Socioeconomics doesn't mean any social issues and any economic issues. It usually means how they inter-relate, eg low education and poverty, etc. Religious riots don't normally become socioeconomic, unless they occurred due to economic reasons, if that's how I understand it. YellowMonkey (click here to choose Australia's next top model!) 08:16, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Not sure of religious riots but - Yes, some scholars have noted that Naxalism is fueled due to economic reasons. In Bihar, the armies of both rich zamindars and Maoist have clashed. Zamindars would oppress poor landless laborers working on farms and inturn Naxalites would kill and rob rich zamindars. It is like this, rob the rich and distribute the wealth equally amongst poor. Also, same for advivasis in jungles on Gadchiroli and Andra. There land was being taken away or jungle resources sold out. So some problems do stem out of economic reasons. --GPPande talk! 12:40, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Title[edit]

I will propose to rename this article Social issues in India. See the similar articles Social issues in the People's Republic of China, Social issues in the United States, Social issues in Germany, Social issues in Brazil. Religious violence, terrorism, Naxalism, Caste related violence, LGBT rights, overpopulation, poverty, corruption all are actually social issues, but some of them are associated with the economy. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 09:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, some are related to economy so title contains both social and economic issues. But I am fine either way. I just prefer current title. --GPPande talk! 12:33, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Overpopulation[edit]

I searched for "Overpopulation in India" and got redirected to this page. This article has lots of info, but nothing specifically addressing the current overpopulation issue in India. The issue is acknowledged but quickly becomes the "elephant in the room", as the article swerves around anything meaningful, and simply lists predictions for future population figures. It would be better to either cover the facets of this issue--facts and theories on past, present, and future population figures--in this article, or allow the issue to have its own article. Meanwhile, I'll have to go elsewhere to find useful information. Not what I expected from Wikipedia.Tell someone (talk) 14:53, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

IEP cleanup[edit]

I am cutting some unsourced material from this article per the IEP cleanup. See WP:IEP for more details. From the "Measurement of returns to schools" section:

Again when we relate this to the indian context, we see that India is a developing country, therefore the return on schooling is much higher for india. This encourages the indian government to invest more on primary and secondary education. The return on primary education is again much more than secondary education as cost of education (C) is less in primary than in secondary education.
The difference in rate of return for boys and girls leads to a serious social problem of gender discrimination in the indian society. As the return for boys in much more than girls, the uneducated urban and rural indians tend to educate only boys and neglect the other sex. This leads to gender discrimination. Girls are not given the opportunity to grow and become educated and compete with the other gender.

From the "Linkage between education and economic growth" section:

There can be two cases:
1) labour is perfectly substitutable: higher the educated number of people, more would be the output. This is a direct case where when there is an increase in education there is a direct increase in the econmic growth.
2) labour is not substitutable: As in the medical case, labour can not be substitutable. therefore even though there is education there aren't any increase in the economic growth.
Based on these assumptions there are tow types of industries: a) labour intensive b) knowledge intensive.
The ratio of educated v/s uneducated is an indicator for differentiating the two types of industries.
Countries which are labour intensive have a problem that they can't even hike the price, they always have to keep low wages and low costs. Only then can they stick with the market , otherwise they will lose their market.
On the other hand countries which are knowledge based will always earn more per unit profit and can always hike prices. For eg: Japan shifted from labour intensive to knowledge intensive for more economic growth.
Education is something which is long term. Therefore a country can not suddenly shift from labour to knowledge if they do not have educated human capital.
If we talk in the indian context then, india was a labour intensive economy. Gradually it is shifting from a labour intensive to knowledge as the educational levels are increasing. The labour is becoming skilled. Moreover technology has replaced man power, which has reduced the cost of production, leading to higher economic growth.

This text can be returned to the article if it is appropriately sourced. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 01:13, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

MGNREGA misuse of found and Social Audit report MIS upload Taluka Social Audit Co-Ordinetor[edit]

   I am vidyasagar bhalke ,employee of MGNREGA  social audit coordinator     of  Taluka   panchayat Humnabad dist.bidar  MGNREGA 2012-13 misuse of found social audit report MIS upload sir Bidar District all 175 Gram Panchayt misuse of found this i hv given social audit report and MIS upload only my taluka Humnabad 33 Gram Panchayt and athors 4 taluka social audit report MIS upload nil.4.taluka.social audit.co-ordnetor job safe sir.
 sir i hv completed 33 gps social audit grama sabhas in my found that Rs.22,000 to 40,000 spend in each GP's which was misuse of found this i hv given social audit report and MIS upload  Amount collect in Tlaluka Panchayat FDC Mr.kiran patil and Deputy secretary Zila Panchayt Bidar ZP  mgnrega section FDC Mr.Baswanappa Patil srimt.Chitharlekha Patil with mr devadas district social audit co-ordnetor Zila Panchayt Bidar

regarding of my 23 months salary and job req still not getting any response to my request .already I sent letter regarding of allegation of corruption and misappropriation of fund to Chief minister Of Karnataka and Mr. M Moudgil Mgnrega Dairector in bidar zila Panchayt.but dept enquiry for allegation of corruption and misappropriation and still not consider of my salary and job recover already told Mr.M.Moudgil Director MGNREGA Bangalore, in reference letter to Zila Panchayat. consider his salary and job recover but Zila Panchayt bidar MGNREGA section worker Chitralekha patil and Mr.Baswnappa patil and Mr.Devadas district social audit co-ordnetor misplace this reference letter wituout knowdlege in chef Secretary Zila Panchayat Bidar .and sir MGNREGA Ombudsman Zila Panchayt bidar sent notice my Home Adrss to attend with Taluka all 33 Gram Panchayt only misuse of found MIS report and documents bat sir my job and 23 month not a recover sir for above matter on Date 15/02/2014 .So please I kindly And 23 months without salary work sir And my position is very critical position and very serious condition and soonly recover my job and 23 month sanction my salary and job req. as I sincerely serve my duty without any error

thanking you sir    yours faithfully 
                     
                                                   VIDYASAGAR BHALKE
                                 R% Gadgi Tq.And Distc Bidar Pin  585402 call 9844783536  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.241.243.101 (talk) 13:07, 12 February 2014 (UTC) 

Issue in Overpopulation Section[edit]

I don't personally have the knowledge required to correct this issue, but I noticed that the "Overpopulation" section unexpectedly cuts off at the section's end.