Talk:Solaris (operating system)
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- 1 Requested move #2
- 2 Numbering
- 3 file systems in solaris
- 4 Question on Single UNIX Specification
- 5 The introductory paragraph contradicts the artlce itself
- 6 Poor Article
- 7 screenshot
- 8 Unencyclopedic?
- 9 Image copyright problem with File:DECwindows-openvms-v7.3-1.png
- 10 Copyrighted code
- 11 File:Sol10-software-grps.gif may be deleted
- 12 Multics family
- 13 First para of lead
- 14 Solaris 10 Update 9 Available
- 15 Differentiate OpenSolaris and Solaris
- 16 Origin of zones
- 17 Initial Release of Solaris 10 not listed
- 18 OTN reference in first Para
- 19 Solaris 10 8/11 isn't out
Requested move #2
- Add # '''Support''' or # '''Oppose''' on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~. Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.
Survey - in support of the move
- Support per nom and WP:COMMONNAME. - Cyrus XIII 22:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Sun seems to alternatively refer to it as Solaris Operating System and simply Solaris on its website. Solaris, as noted right above me, is a more common form of the name, and I think it would be simpler to just call the article "Solaris (operating system)". – Mipadi 15:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support. AFAICT from poking around sun.com, Sun don't use the "Solaris" name for anything but the OS, so the common name is unambiguous and shorter. (To expand something the nom wrote, [[Solaris (operating system)|]] will be equivalent to [[Solaris (operating system)|Solaris]] — neat, hey?) CWC 00:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- Support and moved per WP:SNOW. —Ruud 23:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Survey - in opposition to the move
- Add any additional comments:
- For earlier discussion about what to name this article, see above under "#Article title - O/Environment or O/System?", "#Requested move" and "#Naming". CWC 18:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Most recent releases of Solaris, such as 8, 9 or 10, are referred to as SunOS 2.8, 2.9, 2.10 in the operating system using the uname command not 5.8, 5.9, 5.10 .—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rodendahl (talk • contribs) 20:28, 10 September 2007
- This turns out not to be the case:
% uname -sr SunOS 5.10 %
- --NapoliRoma 21:24, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
file systems in solaris
- Solaris uses an extended version of the Unix File System for disk storage. (Sun added journaling to UFS in Solaris 7, so it's not the standard UFS that came with SVR4.) Of course, it also supports FAT16, FAT32 and ISO 9660, for portable media rather than main storage. It's not like Linux, where you have several well-supported disk file systems to choose from.
- Solaris also supports a variety of non-disk file systems, including tmpfs and procfs.
- Third-party open source projects have added ext2fs support to OpenSolaris (and maybe Solaris itself); I hope to try that out in a month or two. Cheers, CWC 13:54, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Read-only NTFS support is also provided through a separate project.
- ...and ZFS.--NapoliRoma 14:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Oh. Yes, of course. How embarrassing. CWC 18:41, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Other filesystems include NFS (of course), CIFS (SMB), Veritas' VxFS, OpenAFS. UDF is also supported for media. Read-only NTFS is available in addition to ext2fs. Nevada is moving towards using ZFS for root filesystems by default (as other distributions already do), which will be backported to S10. Triskelios (talk) 03:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
- ...and ZFS.--NapoliRoma 14:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Question on Single UNIX Specification
- Nope. (I'd say it depends on what you mean by "OpenSolaris", but the answer is no for any meaning I can think of.)
- An OS in general isn't certified; specific releases are. So, Solaris 10, a release, is certified against the SUS. There is no release called "OpenSolaris" anything that has been through the certification process.--NapoliRoma (talk) 01:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
- That's right, "OpenSolaris" is, as far as I'm aware, the name for the open code base for which the Solaris OS releases are created, not a distinct operating system in and of itself. mike4ty4 (talk) 06:56, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
The introductory paragraph contradicts the artlce itself
In the intro paragraph, "As of this writing, Hewlett-Packard is unable to support the platform in commercial settings." is stated, however, later in the article Solaris_(operating_system)#Supported_architectures specifically mentions HP as a supported vendor... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 17:03, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- It is true that HP does not support Solaris; It is also true that Sun supports Solaris on HP systems. Not contradictory, but maybe can be made less confusing. I think that part of the lead should be reworked; "licensed" is probably not the right term and "as of this writing" forces you to study the edit history to find out when "this writing" was.--NapoliRoma (talk) 18:42, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- And here I thought my HP printer wouldn't work if I installed Solaris. ~Jonathan (talk) 10:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
This seems extremely off topic for an opening paragraph. HP's website says: http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/492635-0-0-0-121.html, a page titled "HP ProLiant Server Support. Current HP ProLiant servers that are Sun Test Suite Certified, HP supported, and/or planned for support." I think this statement adds no value and should be removed. Dbprice (talk) 03:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
This is not encyclopedic. This is written like a tech spec sheet crossed with a news release for industry journalists. There's not much about the pros and cons of the system, snapshots of the system or anything at a more summarized encyclopedia kind of level. This gives you lots of tech info, but actually very little info on the system itself. It's FAR too high level and detailed for an encyclopedia. Wood for the trees people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 13:31, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
- Uh "high level and detailed"? Maybe you mean "low level and detailed"? HughesJohn (talk) 21:07, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
- "Encyclopedic... pros and cons"? Solaris comprises a family of operating systems, much like Legumes comprise a family of edible food. One will not see a list of pros and cons when they look up Legumes in wikipedia. "There's not much about... snapshots of the system"? A snapshot has been included since 2006 and product logo in 2008 - I personally addressed this concern with adding additional images. "...lots of tech info, but actually very little info on the system itself" - Technical information is information on the system itself. I also addressed this concern with adding a new section on installation & usage options. I think this "Poor Article" comment is now irrelevant, can it be purged? DavidHalko (talk) 21:54, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
- Added a variety of screen shots, can this concern be purged? DavidHalko (talk) 21:59, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
OK, so there are probably many ways this article could be improved, but compared to some other articles on similar subjects, IMHO, this one is reasonably good and fairly NPOV. Anybody have any specific criticisms? Letdorf (talk) 12:14, 3 September 2008 (UTC).
- I mostly agree with Letdorf. Similarly, I feel the article contains a lot of good information, especially for the technically minded or those looking to weigh Solaris as a platform option. It mentions a lot of specific technologies that Solaris offers, but provides a good overview of the operating system as a whole.
- I disagree with most of the comment from 188.8.131.52's "Poor article" section above. While the article doesn't make a comparison between Solaris and other OSes, that's not its purpose, but rather to explain Solaris. Pros and cons might be a reasonable addition, but pure comparisons are for the comparison page (Comparison of operating systems). As for being "HIGH level and detailed", it provides a historically- and technically-relevant overview of Solaris (save some instances that I could see being up for debate). The only thing I agree with is the addition of a screenshot.
- --Placatedmayhem (talk) 04:55, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
- One further point in this matter is that listing "pros" and "cons" is quite non-trivial. Solaris is a general-purpose Unix operating system, and in my opinion listing "pros" and "cons" is fundamentally opinion-based. Often such lists are influenced by the writer's experience on different operating systems. I think such lists don't belong to an encyclopedia, but rather to discussion sites.
- 184.108.40.206 (talk) 14:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
- The article contains useful information - in particular, the reason I visited the page this morning was to find out when particular versions had been released. Posting a "pro/con" list would be difficult to do objectively and, as the previous poster noted, be appropriate for a discussion group.
- --Jim Carson —Preceding undated comment was added at 17:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC).
- I also disagree with most of the comment from 220.127.116.11's "Poor article" section above. The parts I did agree with, I tried to enhance by adding screen shots, adding installation options, and additional content surrounding the desktop environment. I think this comment from 18.104.22.168's "Poor article" section above no longer applies. Can this concern be purged? DavidHalko (talk) 00:10, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Image copyright problem with File:DECwindows-openvms-v7.3-1.png
The image File:DECwindows-openvms-v7.3-1.png is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check
- That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
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To what degree does Solaris still have old AT&T code in it, to which Novell now owns the copyright? If it doesn't have any, at what point did it purge? How long did it need to have a license, or did it get a perpetual license of some kind? -- Beland (talk) 03:25, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
- According to SCO v. Novell, it looks like Sun still had a Unix license when it released OpenSolaris. -- Beland (talk) 13:53, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what "Unix license" means in your context. Sun bought out its rights to the SVR4 source base from Novell back in the '90s, before Novell entered into its agreement with oldSCO. This is separate from "Unix" branding, which Novell handed over to what is now The Open Group. The question that I don't think there is a documented answer to is whether there are any existing rights issues associated with Sun open sourcing the Solaris source base via the OpenSolaris community.--NapoliRoma (talk) 18:37, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
File:Sol10-software-grps.gif may be deleted
I have tagged File:Sol10-software-grps.gif, which is in use in this article for deletion because it does not have a copyright tag. If a copyright tag is not added within seven days the image will be deleted. --Chris 00:22, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
- Please keep the discussion in the one place. It started in Talk:Mac OS X. AlistairMcMillan (talk) 18:41, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
First para of lead
There seems to be some edit-warring going on here recently. If anyone considers the sentence
Solaris 10 Update 9 Available
Differentiate OpenSolaris and Solaris
This article mix information from OpenSolaris and Solaris. That was not a serious thing, but with the last announcements from Oracle it's really important to separate both, of course, except when referring historical events. For example, the Licence section need to be restructured, if not, wiped-out. HavokCR (talk) 12:45, 30 September 2010 (UTC -6)
- Note that, according to the leaked memo, Solaris source code will continue to be licensed under the CDDL, it's just the OpenSolaris development model has been dropped in favour of in-house development and binary releases, followed by source releases. Letdorf (talk) 12:03, 1 October 2010 (UTC).
Origin of zones
The page currently says "Solaris 10 11/06 ("U3") added ... Logical Domains.". However, I'm running a 6/06 ("U2") system with two non-global zones. So the page must be in error. Bhami (talk) 23:20, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
- Logical Domains (aka Oracle VM for SPARC) is hypervisor-based virtualization for SPARC T-Series processors. Zones (aka Containers) is OS-based virtualization that works on any system running Solaris 10 or later. Cheers, NapoliRoma (talk) 01:07, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Initial Release of Solaris 10 not listed
Solaris 10's first release was March 2005. This can be verified by googling "solaris 10 release 3/05". I've posted this here (rather than editing the page), as I do not know if this has been brought up before (it does not appear to have been mentioned previously). Xeleema (talk) 23:04, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
- Solaris 10's initial release date was January 31st, 2005, as the article says. This is unfortunately a little harder to verify than it used to be, now that most of sun.com is gone.
- It's called "Solaris 10 3/05" because the media kits for that release started shipping in early March, and back then that was the milestone for the "official" release date / name. But the actual OS was released, and support started, at the end of January.--NapoliRoma (talk) 01:42, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
- CNET article confirming this: http://news.cnet.com/Sun-releases-Solaris-10-for-free/2100-1016_3-5559021.html --NapoliRoma (talk) 01:46, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
OTN reference in first Para
OTN is an existing Oracle facility (http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/index.html), a portal onto lots of Oracle products, so saying "Oracle will also begin a technology partner program, called Oracle Technology Network" is incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 15:36, 9 March 2011 (UTC)