Talk:South Korea

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Former good article nominee South Korea was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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April 19, 2006 Peer review Reviewed
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Orthographic Projection[edit]

Support for Orthographic Projection

  • The image serves its purpose as a locator map. It clearly shows S. Korea's location in the world and the close up map of the country is shown in the separate image.

Support for Red Colour Locator Map

  • Red is preferable colour to Wikipedia standard although it is not followed by most country articles.
  • South Korea is enlarged.

References[edit]

about Dokdo / Takeshima Comfort woman[edit]

Please see the video was created using historical primary source material. Please assess the facts and well.

Deleting Historical Images[edit]

A user(s) has repeatedly removed images from the post-War history section. One image was of the Seoul after the Korean war, another was of the April Revolution and another was of the Park Chung-hee era. None of these images strike me as particularly controversial but I'm not an expert on South Korea so please let me know if I'm missing something. If not, please stop deleting these images without discussing it. Mass removal of images is vandalism.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 19:27, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

There was no consensus for adding these controversial images and as per WP:Consensus you leave it to the stable version if there is opposition. Putting up the picture of a controversial dictator and a student riot is indeed highly controversial and strongly violates WP:POV, these are reasons sufficient to exclude them until a strong consensus for them exists. Massyparcer (talk) 03:24, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
First, please remember to approach this in good faith. Second, remember that what you think of as controversial may not appear as controversial to someone else. Third, please be specific about what you find to be controversial with the images, remember WP:I just don't like it is not how decision get make on Wikipedia. You have already described what the article describes as a "revolution" as a "riot" and said that including a picture of the person who ruled the country for 17 years is controversial. I'm not an expert on South Korea so I really don't know if you are correct or not but simply including pictures of such significant events does not seem to me to be immediately controversial. As I said originally, please let me know what about these images is controversial, perhaps we can sort this out amongst ourselves and not bring in additional parties. Thanks!Monopoly31121993 (talk) 14:13, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

3O request[edit]

One of you recently requested a third opinion on this dispute. Unfortunately, the 3O process requires that thorough talk page discussion take place before a third opinion is given. Massyparcer, since you removed the images and Monopoly31121993 then engaged you on this talk, I suggest you clearly state your opposition to the images here, so the discussion may move forward. If, after more discussion, there is still no consensus, you are welcome to ask for a 3rd opinion again, or to try other forms of dispute resolution, such as an WP:RfC or a post to WP:DRN. Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:58, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Vanamonde93. unfortunately Massyparcer continues to revert all of the images without providing any discussion. How can I request a 3rd opinion again if he never engages on the talk page?Monopoly31121993 (talk) 09:08, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Regarding several "reverts" on this page by Massyparcer[edit]

Could someone who watches/edits this page please explain why Massyparcer keeps on "reverting edits per WP:CONSENSUS"? The edit histories aren't clear on what is being reverted and why. On the outside, without any information regarding what "consensus" is being enforced, it essentially looks like an edit war. Steel1943 (talk) 02:29, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

I can say that he continues to delete all historical images from the South Korean history section. He claims they are controversial but refuses to discuss the issue on the talk page. Feel free to step in if you like.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 18:33, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
*All* pictures? Do you have evidence to back up this claim? I have only removed the recently addeed controversial pictures. Never touched anything else.
  • @Massyparcer: Could you please provide some information about what "consensus" is being "enforced" when you revert other editors' edits? I'm asking since from me, as someone who doesn't regularly contribute to this article but has it on their watchlist, it looks like you are edit warring, which I have warned you about on your talk page. Steel1943 (talk) 19:46, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Consensus refers to the stable version that was in place for a long time before the above user showed up. I'm not edit warring and have no interest in it if you have read my edit reasons in the history page, you would know that I'm strictly following a major Wikipedia policy - WP:Consensus. Massyparcer (talk) 07:54, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
@Massyparcer: We're not debating or questioning the meaning of "consensus"; what is being discussed here is your reverts of the page without further discussing on the talk page, which is the very definition of an edit war. Even if "consensus" is in place, reverting edits and not discussing to enforce it via further consensus is essentially an edit war. Enforcing policy is not a reason to continuously revert edits without discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 13:50, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Again, if you look at the discussions above, I have been one of the main contributors to the discussion, so this claim that I'm not discussing is certainly not true. Unless we can get more than just one person interested in this issue to join the discussion, I would not call any consensus gained here valid. Massyparcer (talk) 15:34, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
@Massyparcer: The point of consensus is that editors agree and abide by it; if these several reverts have happened, there is obviously a lack of consensus, and thus there is no consensus to be enforced. I would recommend starting a discussion to enforce your perception of how this page should appear, rather than continuously revert edits without starting a discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 15:40, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Gaming?[edit]

I'm surprised there's nothing about gaming in here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_gaming_in_South_Korea

It's huge in Korea, even being on television, probably more notable and bigger than most the stuff in the sports section. IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 09:28, 7 November 2014 (UTC) The popularity of pro-gaming is overstated, I think, among Westerners, as countries in the West generally lack a strong pro-gaming scene, and people generally like to point out what's different.

From my experiences in Korea, it's definitely not more notable or bigger than most of the stuff in the sports section. Almost everything is on TV there, so whether it's on TV or not isn't really important. Football (soccer), baseball, and the Olympics are much more notable. Basketball and golf are probably also more notable. Arumdaum (talk) 15:12, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Park's status as a dictator[edit]

"Park was heavily criticised as a ruthless military dictator, who in 1972 extended his rule by creating a new constitution, which gave the president sweeping (almost dictatorial) powers and permitted him to run for an unlimited number of six-year terms."

"Almost dictatorial" implies that Park was in fact not an actual dictator, which he most certainly was. Even if there are those who want to contest it, the phrase "almost dictatorial" is definitely not impartial. Arumdaum (talk) 15:34, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

From Dictator : "Dictatorships are often characterised by some of the following traits: suspension of elections and of civil liberties; proclamation of a state of emergency; rule by decree; repression of political opponents without abiding by rule of law procedures; these include single-party state, and cult of personality."
Generally speaking Park_Chung-hee does fit most of those traits, including having been elected twice without any opposition. I believe the statement should however reflect the high amount of affection felt towards him by many (although certainly not all) South Koreans who regard his dictatorship as benevolent, including the evidence of the free election of his daughter Park_Geun-hye as the current President of South Korea. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:38, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

How can a presidential system include a prime minister?[edit]

How can a presidential system include a prime minister, who has to be approved by the legislature, even if he is not the head of government?? I think that makes South Korea a semi-presidential not presidential republic. Regards --Ransewiki (talk) 16:44, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

War casualties.[edit]

The article currently states "Over 1.2 million people died during the Korean war.[29]"

Wikipedia articles "korean War" and "Kim Ik Sung" both give casualties of c2.5 million. AnnaComnemna (talk) 14:44, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Academic consensus[edit]

"An extreme manifestation of nationalism and the family cult was the revival of interest in Tangun, the mythical founder of the first Korean state... Most textbooks and professional historians, however, treat him as a myth."
"Although Kija may have truly existed as a historical figure, Tangun is more problematical."
"Most [Korean historians] treat the [Tangun] myth as a later creation."
"The Tangun myth became more popular with groups that wanted Korea to be independent; the Kija myth was more useful to those who wanted to show that Korea had a strong affinity to China."
"If a choice is to be made between them, one is faced with the fact that the Tangun, with his supernatural origin, is more clearly a mythological figure than Kija."--219.111.109.7 (talk) 16:19, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Disclaimer: the above message was originally posted by me here. The anom user (who uses many different IPs) has reposted my message on several talk pages, all without attribution. I have absolutely no connection with the user. -Zanhe (talk) 17:38, 31 March 2015 (UTC)