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Difference in the Classification of cities[edit]

There are two seperate categories for cities. but there is not much difference between the size of the cities in the subdivision.

Source of Population Totals[edit]

I have been having a difficult time finding the source used for the population totals listed in this article. I did find one source http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/prelim06/t4al_ca.htm that lists totals for all but two of the listed cities that fall within the same approximate range. Burbank would be the one major exception in that it indicate a variance of over 30%. The second exception would be East Los Angeles which did not appear on the list as a city in California, but was probably because it is not a city but rather an unincorporated area

Major Central Business District[edit]

Only cities with 200K downtowns should be here, and w/ major significance i.e. county seat w/ population exceeding 200K. As the heading says Major central business districts. Also lets try to keep downtowns, not other districts in a city. Thanks, House1090 (talk) 04:27, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Who set the 200,000 threshold for a major city? Alanraywiki (talk) 04:42, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Well thats what we were using for the SoCal article, 200K+. House1090 (talk) 21:33, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
There is no rule that says it has to be 200K. Your revert does not have a good enough revert. A large city does not necessarily have a "good" downtown. Downtown Glendale is a major CBD being headquarters to companies like fox. Also Century City is another CBD that is also the headquarters of many companies. I am for adding back what you removed. SoCal L.A. (talk) 22:02, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Also they are major CBD's. Size does not make something major. As far as downtown it has to do with how many and what companies are there. Glendale has a much larger skyline then Riverside and San Bernardino. SoCal L.A. (talk) 22:04, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
How is Century City a downtown area? Skyline has nothing to do with how large a downtown is, San Bernardino and Riverside's downtown has county offices and is the center for a larger region. Besides there is no "Downtown Glendale" article either. Also, how is Burbank a major CBD? The city has a population less than 120K. House1090 (talk) 23:27, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
It's really not that big of a deal, sorry if i seemed to "explode". Well to me Burbank and perhaps Century City and Westwood are all home to headquarters of major companies, that can make a CBD major. I also think i made a list of what companies Burbank hosts. Burbank is also where a lot of movie and film industry corporate offices are being moved to. As for Century City and Westwood, they are popular tourist destinations, i.e. Wilshire Blvd. In this case it is population that makes it major but the amount of corporate offices and tourism it receives. SoCal L.A. (talk) 00:17, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
They may be major districts, but they are not the central business district. CBD are usually downtowns. House1090 (talk) 00:49, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Good point. So perhaps Century City, Westwood, and Glendale be removed? I still think Burbank should stay though just because how many corporate offices it hosts. Also it is central to the SFV. SoCal L.A. (talk) 00:52, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
LA is the hub for the SFV, but I can live with your proposal. House1090 (talk) 00:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Haha okay, I will make the changes so you wont violate your 1RR. SoCal L.A. (talk) 02:18, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

"Not by metro but regions"[edit]

What does this mean? Metropolitan areas are regions as well, and calling LA and Orange Counties the "Coast" is ridiculous, as they consist of much more than that. all that was accomplished in this edit was the removal of a link to Greater Los Angeles Area for no clear reason. --TorriTorri(talk/contribs) 03:51, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Coastal Southern California are the coastal counties, that doesn't mean it only consist of the coast. Inland SoCal however are the counties or areas situated father inland with no coast. Maybe it should of been Coastal Region, or the basin. House1090 (talk) 04:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Seeing as there are no sources for these allegations, the best way to link the relevant articles is to use their titles. Also, I've readded the link to Greater Los Angeles Area due to your lack of a rationale for removing it in your response. --TorriTorri(talk/contribs) 06:02, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


Inland SoCal source here: [1] Coastal Socal counties must be thethe counties near the coast. Inland SoCal not the same division as the rest of GLAA. In fact it should be the the basin region. Take a look at the newer divisions, hopefully it makes more sense now. House1090 (talk) 17:25, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Properly known as "southern California"?[edit]

Resolved

Isn't this area properly known as southern California, but the "S" is capitalized in the article when it begins a sentence (or as used in the title)? –Newportm (talkcontribs) 22:20, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

  • "Southern" here is a compass direction only; it is not truly part of a proper name, hence, the correct capitalization is southern California. If CA were to split into two or three political divisions, then, there might be a "true" Southern California. 207.210.134.83 (talk) 20:46, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I couldn't agree more. Northern and southern California are functional regions, not (should-be-capitalised) formal regions. It already seems that Wikipedians, writers, journalists, &c. have divided California to their liking (note that the former feel no need to cite WP:RS in the respective articles because "everybody knows"). I suppose the next logical step is to pretend that this division has some official sanction. -- 75.111.19.160 (talk) 03:44, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the input. Shall we let this item mature here on the talk page before concluding we have reached consensus and effecting corrective edits? –Newportm (talkcontribs) 05:48, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Rs use it both ways; a quick Google shows "s" may be a bit more popular. see Google search Rjensen (talk) 15:40, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
With no compelling contrary argument above to show inline instances of the place name as though it were a distinct geopolitical entity, I put inline instances of "Southern California" to lowercase, as "southern California," and similar changes. –Newportm (talkcontribs) 18:49, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Awkward[edit]

One of the captions in this article states: "on a sunset October day" Sunset isn't an adjective and this doesn't make sense anyway - it was sunset-like all day long? Now, at very northern latitudes, you can have twilight conditions for most of the daylight hours, but not in LA unless something has gone terribly wrong with the Earth's axis. You probably wouldn't say "on a sunset" in any case. It would be okay to say "at sunset on an October day" If you're worried about character count "at sunset on a Fall day" also works or even just "at sunset" (in LA there's not much to distinguish Fall from other parts of the year and, in all places, sunsets look about the same year round no matter what the season. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.66.32 (talk) 10:51, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Bakersfield?[edit]

Most people would agree that Bakersfield is in Central California as it is in the Central Valley. Most people associate them selfs with Central California not SoCal. Any thoughts? thanks, House1090 (talk) 05:38, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Even by wikipedia's own definition. [2] House1090 (talk) 05:43, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Image[edit]

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I wonder if this image could fit into the article, as it shows the use of the term very well.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 02:38, 31 May 2013 (UTC)