Talk:Spanish Inquisition

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Henningsen-Contreras statistics[edit]

I've added the table with the data about the number of trials and executions according to the statistics of Gustav Henningsen and Jaime Contreras. Since the authors themeselves admit that their statistics is far from being complete, I've compared the numbers given by them with the numbers that appear from other available sorces for the respective tribunals. I've based primarily on William Monter, Frontiers of Heresy: The Spanish Inquisition from the Basque Lands to Sicily, Cambridge 2003. CarlosPn (discussion) 31 Oct 2008 22:15 CET

Council of Troubles[edit]

The Council of Troubles in the Netherlands was not connected to the Inquisition. It was a temporary war time committee set up in the Netherlands to root out and punish those who had led the rebellion against the king.

Suggested edit for section: Previous Inquisitions[edit]

User:Stalwart111, Shalom! My suggestion is to merge the following passage with my newer and more detailed edit. Thus, this paragraph will be changed, that is, the one that begins: “Nevertheless, in some parts of Spain towards the end of the 14th century, there was a wave of violent anti-Judaism, encouraged by the preaching of Ferrand Martinez, Archdeacon of Ecija. In the pogroms of June 1391 in Seville, hundreds of Jews were killed, and the synagogue was completely destroyed. The number of people killed was also high in other cities, such as Córdoba, Valencia and Barcelona,” and will now begin in this modified way:

Several responsa bearing on the widespread persecution of Spanish Jewry between the years 1389 and 1392 of our Common Era can be found in contemporary Jewish sources, such as in the Questions & Responsa of Rabbi Isaac ben Sheshet (1326 – 1408).[1] A description of the se horrific events which plagued the Jewish communities of Spain is also written in Gedalia Ibn Yechia’s Shalshelet Ha-Kabbalah, (written ca. 1586),[2] as well as in Abraham Zacuto’s Sefer Yuchasin and in Solomon ibn Verga’s Shevat Yehudah, who relate how tens of thousands of Jews during these years were evicted from their homes, while many were killed with cruel deaths, while some managed to flee the country, and still others who chose to convert to Christianity in order to save their lives. Those who could not escape from Spain concealed their true religion, and came to be known as "Anūsim," meaning, "those who are compelled [to hide their religion]."

All Many Jews in Spain were affected by the persecution that ravaged the in that country during those years, especially those communities residing in the kingdom of Aragón, and in Barcelona in the region of Catalonia, and the town of Burgos. In 1362, the Jews of Seville and Córdoba which are both in Andalusia, as well as Toledo (called then by Jews after its Arabic name "Ṭulayṭulah") in the region of Castile,[3] were all affected by anti-Jewish fervor, as well as some seventy other towns and villages in the regions thereabout.[4] The Jewish inhabitants of València and the isle of Majorca were not spared the plight of their countrymen, neither also persecuted, as were some one-hundred and thirty Jews in Barcelona.[5] Persecutions came to a head again in 1390/1, encouraged by the preaching of Ferrand Martinez, Archdeacon of Ecija, affecting the Jews in Catalonia, Castille[6] and Aragón, in which during which time some 200,000 Jews changed their religion.[7] In the pogroms of June 1391 in Seville, hundreds of Jews were killed, and the synagogue was completely destroyed. The number of people killed was also high in other cities, such as Córdoba, Valencia and Barcelona.[8] Many Jews living in Seville, Córdoba and in Usún (a place in Navarra), Turre and Burgos, succumbed to pressure and converted, as did the whole of Al-Andalus (Andalucía), besides many other great cities.[9]

  • Hi Davidbena, it's a great start (an improvement on the original) but a few of my concerns remain - this is more a summary of how Spaniards, in general, treated Jews, in general. It talks about "anti-Jewish fervour" and some activities that might be similar to those of the later Inquisition but it serves nobody to confuse general anti-Semitism in the 150 years prior to the Spanish Inquisition with the Inquisition itself. I know that's the purpose of that section but to drag every anti-Semitic act in the prior century-and-a-half together and suggest they were all just part of the ramping-up that catalysed the start of the Inquisition seems rather clunky. But let's start with this - I've struck some words that I think should be removed (hyperbole and whatnot) and have taken out the last paragraph which wasn't yours (but was unsourced and should be fixed). Stlwart111 05:59, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
I'll take your advice. Sounds good to me. Give me a day, or so, to improve it by taking into account your proof-reading of the text. It's nice to work with a good and considerate (polite) editor. I think it's a rarity on WP.Davidbena (talk) 06:42, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Of course, take all the time you need. Stlwart111 22:45, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
"cruel death" should go too. pov.
I get the impression that the Jews got along quite well with the Muslims. They were suspect for that reason at the high level. It was a good excuse to take their property IF they failed to convert.
At the level of the general populace, convenient scapegoat, I suppose. There were often "spikes" in anti-Semitic persecution during the Middle Ages. Movement of people, such as the Crusades and probably the expulsion of the Muslims from Spain. Exactly why those particular times, I don't know. Student7 (talk) 19:46, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Good suggestion. You're absolutely right, of course. It's something each of the "inquisition" articles have suffered with. We need to be careful (as above) when making the distinction between the activities of the Inquisition as a program (the subject of this article) and those of the angry mob that supported them. It's true that the Inquisition burned witches and did so in a rather clinical and bureaucratic way. But it's also true that at various points, the populations of particular villages simply rounded on one of their own, dragged her into the street and burned her as a witch. Those are not the actions of the Inquisition but it could be said that those things happened with the tacit approval of those leading the Inquisition. The persecution of Jews is not dissimilar. Stlwart111 23:04, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

A Better Suggestion (for New Edit)[edit]

User:Stalwart111, Shalom! As you can see, I have not rushed to submit my revised edit. The reason being is that accuracy is of utmost importance to me, besides also of giving some semblance of order to the events mentioned here, especially as they appear in the historical records of our nation. I have decided against mentioning the date 1361 since, upon further consideration of this subject, the year 1361 is a date brought down in Gedaliah ibn Yechia’s book, Shalsheleth Ha-Kabbalah (2nd edition, printed in Jerusalem in 1962), and where there is an obvious (sic) in his rendition of accounts given there when specifically referring to that one date, meaning, there was an obvious copyist’s error in its computation. This has been confirmed by referring back to the original source quoted by Gedaliah ibn Yechia, viz. Hasdai Crescas, who writes about events in Spain only with respect to 1390/1, and which date happened to fall 1,321 years after the Second Temple’s destruction (based on the Jewish tradition that the Temple was destroyed by Titus in the year 380 of the Seleucid Era, a date corresponding with 69 CE, rather than with 70 CE) as noted by Gedaliah ibn Yechia.

This, then, is the new draft:

Several responsa bearing on the widespread persecution of Spanish Jewry between the years 1390 and 1391 can be found in contemporary Jewish sources, such as in the Responsa of Rabbi Isaac ben Sheshet (1326 – 1408)[1], and in the seminal writing of Gedaliah Ibn Yechia, Shalshelet Ha-Kabbalah (written ca. 1586),[2] as also in Abraham Zacuto’s Sefer Yuchasin,[3] in Solomon ibn Verga’s Shevaṭ Yehudah,[4] as well as in a Letter written to the Jews of Avignon by Don Hasdai Crescas in the winter of 1391 concerning the events in Spain in the year 1391.[5]

According to Don Hasdai Crescas, persecution against Jews began in earnest in Seville in 1391, on the 1st day of the lunar month Tammuz (June).[6] From there the violence spread to Córdoba, and by the 17th day of the same lunar month, it had reached Toledo (called then by Jews after its Arabic name "Ṭulayṭulah") in the region of Castile.[7] From there, the violence had spread to Majorca and by the 1st day of the lunar month Elul it had also reached the Jews of Barcelona in Catalonia, where the slain were estimated at two-hundred and fifty. So, too, many Jews who resided in the neighboring provinces of Lérida and Gironda and in the kingdom of València had been affected,[8][9] as were also the Jews of Al-Andalus (Andalucía),[10] whereas many died a martyr’s death, while others converted in order to save themselves.

Encouraged by the preaching of Ferrand Martinez, Archdeacon of Ecija, the general unrest affected nearly all of the Jews in Spain, during which time an estimated 200,000 Jews changed their religion or else concealed their religion, becoming known in Hebrew as "Anūsim,"[11] meaning, "those who are compelled [to hide their religion]." Only a handful of the more principal persons of the Jewish community managed to escape, who had found refuge among the vice-roys in the outlying towns and districts.[12]

P.S. - If anyone is interested here, I can provide a full English translation of Hasdai Crescas' letter to the Jewish community of Avignon in 1391. Better still, one can find a full translation of Hasdai Crescas' letter in Fritz Kobler, Letters of the Jews through the Ages, London 1952, pp. 272–75. Davidbena (talk) 14:55, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

  • Hi David, sorry I wasn't able to respond before you made those changes to the article. I was busy with a few other things. Your draft, though, seemed to accurately reflect the suggest changes and the subsequent comments of other editors. A good result and proof-positive of the community's capacity to work together to make such a substantive addition. Nice work. Stlwart111 23:24, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Kamen editions?[edit]

This article heavily cites Henry Kamen's Spanish Inquisition. It also has complained about the used of ibid, op. cit,... for two years. A 4th paperback edition of Kamen has been available for almost a year. It is important that Kamen citations include the edition. Do all of the existing citations to the English version refer to the first edition? (talk) 19:26, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Answered by today's edit from Stemonitis. (talk) 19:25, 23 April 2015 (UTC)