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"to cause temporary pain without producing physical injury"[edit]

This definition of spanking focuses on the intended result rather than the action itself. The AAP defines spanking as "striking a child with an open hand on the buttocks or extremities with the intention of modifying behavior without causing physical injury", but this may be prescriptive rather than descriptive, in line with their general aim of promoting children's health. In the same document they note that "Spanking children <18 months of age increases the chance of physical injury".

Dictionary entries for spanking, such as found in Cambridge, Oxford, Merriam-Webster, and mention "punishment", but not "injury". In practice, spanking can easily produce injury (see this story and this story). There is also the recent research showing deficits in the brains of spanked children, suggesting that some injuries produced by spanking may simply be invisible to the eye. I suggest removing the current phrase relating to injury, or maybe an inline attribution of said definition to its proper source, while pointing out that injury does in fact occur per the articles linked to above, or similar ones.

Coconutporkpie (talk) 01:08, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

In that case, let's just remove the words "without producing physical injury". -- Alarics (talk) 11:16, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Ferguson's meta-analysis[edit]

I suggest removing the paragraph on Dr. Ferguson's 2013 study from the section "In the home". I have found no other sources reporting on this particular study. The general scientific consensus seems to be that spanking does indeed lead to significant undesirable outcomes; mentioning Ferguson's study seems to give undue weight to a minority opinion. -Coconutporkpie (talk) 17:33, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

I ran the paper through Scopus and found 8 academic papers that cite it, though their reasoning for doing so and parts they were interested in were varied. I also noted that unlike Larzelere or Baumrind, Ferguson much more objective, especially in that Ferguson has been working to disprove that violent video games are bad for children. However, I will agree that it's quite large paragraph devoted to it and the manner in which result are phrase is not entirely accurate. Ferguson technically still found negative effects, just in smaller measurements.Legitimus (talk) 20:06, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Is it possible to find how many papers have cited Durrant's 2012 review or Gershoff's 2013 review, which came to very different conclusions vis-a-vis the need to warn parents and doctors of harmful effects? -Coconutporkpie (talk) 23:50, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Sure no problem. Durrant is cited 22 times and Gershoff 9 times as of this writing. Gershoff of course was published 1 year after Durrant.Legitimus (talk) 02:10, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
And Durrant's review was also reported in several mainstream news outlets, as well as the APA's own journal. I see also that Gershoff's 2010 review of the literature was cited 53 times, including by herself in the later paper. With only 8 citations since 2013 and no news coverage at all, I don't see why Ferguson's meta-analysis deserves much of a mention here. -Coconutporkpie (talk) 06:54, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Despite being a big fan of Gershoff's and Strauss's work, I am a little uneasy about suppression of otherwise reliable sources that simply disagree with me. It opens our position up to accusation of bias and manipulation. Rather, I would like to try and rewrite the paragraph in question to more accurately reflect Ferguson's conclusions and make it shorter on the whole, given how little other authors seem to care about it.Legitimus (talk) 15:42, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Ritual spanking in Eastern Europe.

The text falsely claims that women are also doused in water. The inverse is true. Women are spanked, usually until noon and after midday women douse men in water. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:1028:8382:6AF6:DD14:9CA:C0B9:8FD0 (talk) 23:47, 12 May 2015 (UTC)