Talk:Sparta

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Lacedaemon pronunciation[edit]

Pronunciation of Lacedaemon should be Λακεδαίμων, lakēdaimōn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JulliusCaesar0369 (talkcontribs) 13:06, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

What happened to Sparta?[edit]

The article states that Sparta was re-founded, but it doesn't mention anything in Spartan history after its absorption by Rome, other than that Spartans kept their way of life (until when?). So what happened? Was Sparta abandoned? Did the Spartans die out? Did someone destroy the city? Did they eventually abandon their way of life? Do the modern Spartans have anything in common with the ancient Spartans?

There aren't really any historical documents that tell us what happened. In all likelihood Sparta just became another town in Southern Greece. The period of Classical Sparta only lasted a relatively short amount of time, by the time of the Macedonians and the Romans demographic changes in Sparta, such as high mortality amongst the elite Spartiate class, emancipation of the Helots, shifting powers between the kings and ephores etc. had largely undone the old Lycurgan system. Sparta, unlike Athens, had a very crude economy, without their elite soldiers they didn't really have any means of projecting their power beyond their border. Since they didn't have any particularly valuable resources they were probably just left to their own devices. Modern Spartans probably have no relation to the ancient Spartans as A) the city was deserted during the massive population decline in Greece that occurred in the late Roman Empire and middle ages and B)the modern town is actually in a slightly different location and was founded by Crusaders in the 13th century following the 4th Crusade.

123.243.215.92 (talk) 09:28, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Another edit request[edit]

I would suggest adding Brasidas to the list of famous Spartans. "Brasidas - Officer and Orator". Brasidas was one of Sparta's most competent military leaders, and his zeal in liberating cities caused the Athenians quite some difficulty. Harmodios100 (talk) 17:31, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Tautology[edit]

"The prehistory of Sparta is difficult to reconstruct" --91.10.26.226 (talk) 21:46, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


Questions This is just a question but many people seem to say that Sparta was captured after the battle of thermoayple — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.239.198.251 (talk) 21:31, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Sparta wasn't captured during the Persian Wars. You're probably thinking of Athens, which was abandoned after Thermopylae, occupied by the Persians then recaptured by the Athenians after the Battle of Salamis.

123.243.215.92 (talk) 09:32, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

rewrite needed[edit]

"Middle Neolithic period, found in the vicinity of Kouphovouno some two kilometres (1.2 miles) south-southwest of Sparta.[24] These are the earliest traces of the original Mycenaean Spartan civilization." Mykenae was a Bronze Age culture, NOT a Neolithic one. 71.163.117.143 (talk) 13:40, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2014[edit]

The needed pronunciation of Lacedaemon in the first words of the article is given in the Wiktionary as /ˌlæsəˈdiːmən/ (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Lacedaemon) 62.152.148.16 (talk) 23:13, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Thanks - Arjayay (talk) 09:13, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 December 2014[edit]

Sparta

1) By the middle of the 6th Century was Sparta the strongest military power in Greece. 2) Stealing by boys was permitted to develop stealth + surprise but being caught was severely punishable. 3) The Spartan city-state was 6,000 sq. kilometers, twice the site of the next largest city state. 4) Creates the Peloponnesian League in the 6th Century which is an alliance with Sparta + other city-states. 5) Three most important characteristics: a. Military b. Education c. Religion 6) Coin the phrase -> "with this shield or on it" come back with your shield claiming victory or come back on it dead 1. Population: 25,000 2. Slaves: 100,000 3. Soldiers: 8,000 4. Found in: 900-800 BC 7) Two ways to get tombstone: women dies in childbirth/soldier dies in battle In fact only 298 Spartans showed up at the battle of Thermopylae not 300. This is because, one the two Spartan soldiers that did not show up to battle was Pantites. Pantites was away on a diplomatic mission to Thessaly. Pantits tried his best to come back before the battle of Thermoplylae but was unsuccessful, because he missed the battle he felt dishonored so, he hung himself. Now, he did this because the Spartans were all about war and honoring their country and being picked to fight with the king was a great honor and if they didn't show up to battle they were consider cowards, no matter what, even if they were on a mission they are supposed to get back in time for battle. Also,at the battle of Thermopylae they only sent four percent of the spartan army because, the king was fight in the war to but if the king was not they would have sent the full one-hundred percent. the other spartan solider that didn't show up was Airtodamus,he was sent away for an errand, but even today we do not know what that errand was but we do know that it was his fault, that he missed the battle of Thermopylae. He had taken his time coming back on purpose, so that he would not have to fight in the battle. After returning to camp after the battle is over he is viewed as a coward and mocked for lack of courage. In the next battle Plataea the Spartans put him in the front line and pretended to charged, leaving Airtodamus charging by himself in which the Persians killed him very quickly and easily. [1] 98.227.218.6 (talk) 20:17, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Not entirely sure what you want done here. I am further hesitant to add anything sourced to "Mr. Dirschl's Notes". Cannolis (talk) 20:41, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
    • ^ Mr. Dirschl's Notes