Talk:Spiral Dynamics

Sources from ABC Radio and Haaretz

Two sources from ABC Radio National and Haaretz have been deleted (diff). I put it on the reliable sources noticeboard here. Any opinions? --Pevos (talk) 09:45, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

See my comment there, its not the sources per se but the use you are putting them to --Snowded ^TALK 09:53, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

In the applications section, I inserted "Based on Spiral Dynamics, Don Beck worked with Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and Nelson Mandela." Please check out if it is supported by the sources. --Pevos (talk) 06:26, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Its a claim by Beck and that is all that is reported in the sources. You need a third party reliable source, at the moment it could just be self-promotion. --Snowded ^TALK 16:35, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

The RS/N discussion is archived here. --Pevos (talk) 18:13, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

We have been very quiet for a month I see. There was no dispute that either source was reliable, the question was the nature of the claims that were made. What is clear is that the ABC source was agreed as not establishing the statement, given that it was a transcript of a talk by Beck, so it was Beck's claim not endorsed by ABC. The other source is reporting an event and is not an investigatory piece and no reasonable reading would imply that the journalist in question had done anything more than read the press statement or talk with Beck or his local promotor. I will repeat what I said before, namely that if this claim was in any way true then there would be sources of a more authoritative nature available. --Snowded ^TALK 18:34, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

So we agree that the sources are reliable sources. Snowded, I agree with your last edit in the article. For the next question I will add a new section. (Promotional material? -> Content issue.) --Pevos (talk) 08:06, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I've never disputed that the ABC is a reliable source Bernhard, it was the use made of it which was in question. --Snowded ^TALK 05:54, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Advertisement

There is a tag "Advertisement" (origin: Talk:Spiral_Dynamics/Archive_2#Multiple_issues_with_article_-_particularly_relating_to_mention_of_South_Africa). Is it still necessary? --Pevos (talk) 08:12, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Becks own promotional material is heavy with claims about South Africa which here (as yet) substantial evidence has not been produced from reliable sources. I think we have now stripped out the promotional material here, although I remain dubious about that claim. I think we can clear the POV tag out as well, but the article still needs improvement. --Snowded ^TALK 05:56, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

It would be so better with a picture or graphic...

It is just a suggestion, knowing that some people dedicate their time to produce copyleft illustrations... OlivierC —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.245.111.237 (talk) 15:55, 27 October 2010 (UTC)