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Very nice page on Springfield, Massachusetts--such an interesting city!

Climate?[edit]

Does anyone know the statistics reagarding Springfield's climate/weather patterns? That would be an interesting addition to the page. 24.2.244.245 21:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

The Celsius figures for the average daily temperature ranges in summer and winter are wrong. How can the temperature range be negative? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.98.71 (talk) 01:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Bus Terminal[edit]

Springfield's current bus terminal is a very unique building, does anyone think they could snap a picture of it? (preferably a daylight one)

I hope we can revive this bedrock of Massachusetts.


Hello, I'm not sure, exactly, if I'm doing this edit thing right, but are you talking about the Peter Pan bus station? I'm not sure what, exactly, you mean when you say that it is "unique". It seems rather average to me, perhaps maybe a little crowded, if anything.

If we could get a picture of Bright Nights for the article, that would probably be a bit better. When I read the current information about the event in the article, it didn't do too much to explain what it is like. Considering there can be a two hour long wait to get inside the event due to people flocking to Springfield while it is in operation, I think it would be relevant to have more information on it.

I also think there could be more information on current politcs (corruption etc.) and something about the night life/entertainment industry, the article would be more informative. I would try to do it myself, but I'm unfamiliar with anything Wiki and I don't think I could be an unbiased source. --TOLLMASTER

You, personally, can't be a source; that would be a violation of Wikipedia:No original research. You can add any relevant information for which you can provide a reputable and reliable published source per Wikipedia:Verifiability. For the current local scene, that probably means articles in newspapers or regional magazines. If the articles are also available on-line, that is even better. Now, go for it! -- Donald Albury(Talk) 12:20, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


Most dangerous city in MA[edit]

"Springfield is known to be the most dangerous city in all of Massachusetts. Its the 18th most dangerous city in America." Why did sum1 remove this? its 100% true....

Here a source, if i even need one: http://www.answers.com/topic/springfield-massachusetts

Answers.com is a Wikipedia mirror, and not verifiable in of itself. And yes, you do need a source. The standard on Wikipedia isn't whether a fact is true; it's whether it is verifiable. Please see WP:V if you want to know more. Ravenswing 00:47, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

omg.....ok if you dont believe me y dont u just find a source ur self, cuz im tellin u its true!

The onus is on the editor making an assertion to provide proper sources, not on others to do your research for you. I strongly suggest you look over WP:V. In any event, that this Morgan Quitno guy makes an assertion doesn't make it fact, and his methodology is seriously flawed. (And just as an FYI, since this is an encyclopedia, we use proper English and grammar here; "chatspeak" will turn a lot of folks off.) Ravenswing 06:46, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

i dunno wth ur talkin about but springfield is the most dangerous city in MA and you dont believe me so u deleted the sentence that i add sayin that and make me have to go and get source but then i get a source and it aint good enough for u, yet i cant find good source but you cant go look for a source for me!? it was even on a local commerial the other month about springfield being the msot dangerous city in MA

It almost seems that you're proud of that fact. Trust me, nothing scary about the small town of Springfield, MA - NYJAY

This city is corrupt; politicians and police are corrupt; gang violence and drugs are rampant. There is a story almost daily in the local news of some violent crime. It is no longer a nice place to live, visit or spend your money. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.99.255.3 (talk) 15:09, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Trust me, it is a very dangerous and violent place. I live near it, and the dents in the top of my car from bystanders dropping rocks from the two office buildings show it. I think it has had about half a dozen murders or so just through the beginning of this year. -Nclark —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.151.142.241 (talk) 01:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

In addition, it must be pointed out that this information, however flawed is now out of date. Morgan Quitno, still as wrong as they ever were, has busted Springfield down from 18 to outside the top 20. The issue is moot now.

The Springfield area has been regarded as one of the most dangerous areas in Massachuetts, but it is not the most dangerous area. rgoodermote 09:52, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I found a source which might be acceptable. According to data from a page on the FBI website, Springfield has (or at least had) the highest rate of violent crime per capita in the state: 2691 violent crimes per 151,670 citizens, for a rate of 1.77%. Boston was second at 1.31%. Nationwide, the figures are a little skewed because it includes very small communities. (For example, 17 crimes in 314-person Dewey Beach, NJ, resulted in a rate of about 5%.) For cities with populations over 100,000, the "worst" was St Louis, MO. Springfield, MA came in at #7. Keep in mind, math is only based upon the data in the category of "violent crime." The results may be different if another category (murder, rape, etc) was used instead. Furthermore, I believe these are 2005 figures. The URL for that FBI page is: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_ma.html

One of the problems with using that data is that for much of the last 10 years, Springfield was reporting it's UCR data incorrectly. IIRC, UCR treats multiple crimes at one occurrence as one crime (for example, and armed robbery suspect might be charged with aggravated assault for each victim at the robbery, carrying an illegal firearm, illegal detainment, etc but UCR would count that as one crime). Springfield was reporting those incidents using all applicable violations which inflated the crime numbers. Anechoic Man 15:12, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Dramatic improvement in crime: 2007-present[edit]

In the same crime rankings where Springfield ranked 18th in 2005, it ranked 51st in 2009 and 35th in 2010. Its crime rating is hovering around 140.00 -- nearly half of what it was. This has been reflected in the Wiki article and cited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JWM83 (talkcontribs) 20:23, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Picture[edit]

The existing picture has text in the middle of it, as well as a concrete highway barrier obscuring the view of downtown. It would be nice to find or create a better one. -- Beland 02:42, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

  • The picture is gone, so I am removing this tag. --Sbrools (talk . contribs) 02:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Map requests[edit]

  • It would be nice to have a map showing neighborhoods and streets mentioned in the article. -- Beland 07:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
  • It would also be nice to have map showing the original jurisdiction of the territory, and deannexations to other municipalities at various times. -- Beland 07:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I'll see if I can dredge something up from my closet. -Nclark —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.151.142.241 (talk) 01:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

Control board section[edit]

Isn't Albano, the former Mayor, under federal investigation, and aren't his misdeeds frequently cited as a cause of the fiscal meltdown? -- Beland 07:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


O, yes mr.beland guy, ITS ALL HIS FAULT BLAME HIM

Why is there no mention of the Control Board? Are we erasing that part of history? Springfield is the City of Firsts, including the first city to be taken over by the Commonwealth for poor fiscal health. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.157.56 (talk) 03:23, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Recent Vandalism[edit]

I really regret suggesting this, but this recent vandalism, though minor has been steady for some time. Is it possible to put a block up that requires only logged in editors can edit the page (or if this function exists, delay edits until they can be approved as not vandalism)? I feel bad, but this is getting ridiculous. I'm from the area and find it depressing and unfortunate, despite the prompt correcting of the vandalism. -- Mski2005 12:08, 5 December 2006 EST

healthcare[edit]

any resources on the net on how the condition of springfield's heatlhcare is? compared with the rest of the state. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.232.156.44 (talk) 20:57, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

Recent Demographics Changes[edit]

I do not mean to be a jerk, but the changes to the Census information cannot be taken as accurate. It still lists the amended data as being from the 2000 Census, which it is not. The 2000 Census data is the old information, not anything new. Any data from 2005 or 2006 is not considered complete and I think that it should not be changed until the next Census. I know the Census keeps tabs, but that is done with sampling, not the actual head count. Comments? I'd like to reverse the change if people don't disagree. Mski2005

For anybody complaining about how the current demographic information doesn't add up, the 27 or so% for Hispanic is on the population as a whole. Hispanic is not considered a race, per se by the Census bureau. It is a designation that Census takers may put on top of the tradtional ones (Caucasion, black, Asian, Native American/Hawaiian). So the numbers do in fact add up to 100%. -- Mski2005 4:27, 1 May 2007 EST

Largest Springfield?[edit]

The article said Springfield, MA was the second-largest Springfield in the U.S. Recently, that was changed pending further data. I found these in Google: http://www.demographia.com/db-2000city50kr.htm , http://www.census.gov/prod/2002pubs/00ccdb/cc00_tabC1.pdf , and of course List of United States cities by population it appears to be THE largest Springfield in the U.S. - my question: why did someone say it's the second largest? Stev0 06:14, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Some facts appear to be unclear about the city's relative size to the rest of new england cities, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worcester%2C_MA. Disagreement on what spot this city sits in as far as population size is according to this

Boston, Worcester, Providence, Springfield. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England#Urban_New_England. Worcester was behind Providence in 2000, but it's currently estimated to be larger. Quentinisgod (talk) 17:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

The article was correct (and his question isn't about Springfield MA vs. New England cities). Springfield MA has been staying the same, while Springfield MO has been increasing in size. In the last decade, Springfield MO has become the "largest Springfield". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.25.101.107 (talk) 23:07, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Area Annexed By Chicopee?[edit]

I've found a few of the comments to be extremely strange, specifically:

In 1893, two Springfielders named Charles and J. Frank Duryea built the first ever gasoline powered commercial car in Springfield. The Duryea Motor Wagon was put on the streets of Springfield on September 20, 1893. This part of the city was later annexed by Chicopee, Massachusetts.

and

WWLP's studios are in nearby Chicopee a former section of Springfield.

Chicopee developed separately. To the best of my knowledge they've been separate for centuries, if they were even unified in someway in the first place. I am rather skeptical when it comes to this claim and would prefer to see it sourced. Furthermore, Channel 22 / WWLP's studio is located *north* of downtown Chicopee between 1-391, 1-90, and the Chicopee / Connecticut Rivers. Prior to this location it was in Agawam! Why does including a reference to Chicopee as a former section of Springfield even relevant when it comes to this station studios? The station, albeit a "Springfield" one, has never even had a studio in the city to the best of my knowledge. --80.219.74.157 19:21, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, but none of the major Boston TV stations (with the exception of WLVI-56) have studios in the Boston city limits. It's called advertising.  Ravenswing  23:21, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
My post had nothing to do with what your response addresses. I found the mention of Chicopee as a former part of Springfield within the discription of WWLP to be extraneous. It seems that we would agree given your comment on Boston television stations (WCVB is the one that comes to mind first). I was apparently mistaken about the history of Chicopee, although I am still rather surprised to have not known that the "cities" separated so late in their own individual development given that I was born on the border between the two.--80.219.74.121 (talk) 15:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Merriam-Webster[edit]

Does Marriam-Webster not warrant a mention on this page?


When was Merriam-Webster founded?

In 1831, brothers George and Charles Merriam opened a printing and bookselling operation in Springfield, Massachusetts which they named G. & C. Merriam Co. The company, which was renamed Merriam-Webster, Incorporated, in 1982, has been in continuous operation since that time[1]--80.219.74.121 (talk) 15:24, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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Chapman Valve[edit]

Under the industry section, shouldn't the Chapman Valve be added? It was a placed used to mill uranium back in the 50-80s I think. There was a whole big issue over this when the workers started coming down with cancers and about 150 lawsuits were filed (22 won the case). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.177.59.42 (talk) 22:44, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Private Schools[edit]

I updated the private schools section. Academy Hill was missing, the Catholic schools are merging, and Cathedral is the largest, not the most prominent, Catholic high school in the region. I have the feeling that Holyoke Catholic High School and those who know it would disagree with the previous statement.--Ami in CH (talk) 22:29, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Why so much negativity?[edit]

As someone who lives and works in this area, I have to ask, why is there so much negativity in the text of the article. Springfield is such an amazing city and has so much history but there seems to be so much focus on the negative in this article. Just about every section from the "State Takeover" down has some kind of negative tilt. Some examples:

"While WWLP is licensed to Springfield, to escape the crime and bad publicity of Springfield, they moved their studios to nearby Chicopee." - NOT TRUE. Their 1950s studios were on top of Provin Mt in Feeding Hills and they wanted to move to more modern facilities in Springfield but Chicopee offered better deal to them so they built their studio there.

The Economy section begins with "For nearly six decades, Springfield has been slumping economically". That says nothing about the current economy like the fact that Springfield is home to largest Fortune 500 company in Massachusetts or that Baystate Health has the largest construction project in the state. That section says nothing about the current economy.

The Culture segment seems to focus on the past as well and doesn't reflect anything about the current culture of the city and its environs.

Article now reflects Springfield's current revitalization (2007-present)[edit]

  • In my opinion, the above complaint is 100% justified, especially given downtown Springfield's improvement in recent years. Since 2007, Springfield has obviously revitalized relative to the 1990s and earlier in the 2000s. This article's text should more accurately reflect the current state of the city, e.g. Main Street and State Street improvements; the $600 million BayState expansion; the beautiful new Federal Building near the Quadrangle; the North End and South End improvements; (the removal of blight at the Hollywood-Gemini site;) Union Station rebuilding and opening for the first time since 1973; the city's new sports franchise (the NBA D-League Springfield Armor;) the two rail projects currently planning to use Springfield as a nexus (New Haven-Springfield "Knowledge Corridor" rail, and the Springfield to Brattleboro intercity rail;) UMass' new urban design graduate program in Court Square; the city's new LGBT bars and clubs, etc.

And what about all of the arts functions downtown? The Symphony orchestra, CityStage, the lecture series at The Quadrangle. This city is an artist's dream right now -- a vibrant and (relatively) inexpensive place to live with a lot of resources. JWM83 (talk)

Inaccurate rail information[edit]

JWM83 continues to push inaccurate statements about various rail proposals. First off, until a proposal is currently funded by all parties, there is a locked-in construction schedule, and there is a current source saying so, it cannot be described as a done deal. Certainly, broken links to four year old newspaper articles make, in today's economic and political climate, are singularly worthless for meeting WP:V. You've also twice now made cites to sources which didn't back up the assertion made; for instance, that Connecticut state transportation officials think that a New Haven-Springfield commuter rail line is a fine idea, and say so on their website, the project hasn't actually been approved or scheduled. The rail line's own article states that it's currently undergoing a two-year environmental impact study.  Ravenswing  01:27, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

The info presented is currently accurate =[edit]

    • Ravenswing, I don't know how closely you've been following the issue but the "two year study" ended some time ago. The NHHSP (aka The Knowledge Corridor Line is scheduled to built from 2013-2016, barring any hold-ups.) Here are sopme recent developments. The Massachusetts section of the railroad has been entirely funded by the Federal Government, (i.e. $70, from Springfield to Brattleboro, plus $70 to restore Springfield's beautiful train station.) Construction on both of these projects is set to begin in late 2011, or at latest, early 2012. (It was pushed back once several weeks ago to accomodate, primarily, Connecticut's bid for the money, and also to accomodate its own bid for additional funds--which could increase speeds to "high speed levels," e.g. over 70mph. I can not find an inaccurate statement made about the project on Springfield's page, nor New Haven't page. Where the project stands now is that Conecticut has enough $$$ to double track its line all the way from New Haven to Newington. It's waiting on one last Federal disbursement from the Florida funds (rejected by Florida) to build the rest of the double-tracked line from Newington to Springfield. After that, building will commence. In other words, the paragraph about high speed rail reflects the truth as we know it currently; however, should anything fall apart, I suggest that it be amended quickly. Certainly, this is Connecticut and Western Mass's most important project since the highway construction in the 1960s.~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.97.169 (talk) 08:04, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

June 1, 2011 Tornadoes[edit]

Why does the section on the tornadoes say that there were two that touched down in Springfield? To my knowledge (and according to the sources cited) only the F3 struck in Springfield, the other two F1's were observed in Wilbraham and N Brimfield. Any thoughts? 75.251.105.128 (talk) 23:44, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

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Demonym: "Springfielders"[edit]

Why does the demonym for people who live in Springfield, i.e. "Springfielders," keep getting removed from this page? Springfielders is an historical term as well as one that is used in common parlance. 76.119.66.131 (talk)

  • Ttwelve years of living in Springfield didn't fill me with any sense that "Springfielders" was a term in common use. If it's a historical term, no doubt you can document it through multiple reliable sources. Ravenswing 18:54, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
  • After twenty two years of living in Springfield, I haven't heard of this phrase either and I can't find any sources. But if the anonymous poster above has sources, I'd enjoy learning something new about myself. Mdechris (talk) 17:13, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

White population[edit]

Whites made up 51.8% of the cities population in 2010 the 36.7% was only for hispanic whites it even says so few sentences down in the same paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.64.104.4 (talk) 20:13, 1 August 2012 (UTC)