Talk:Stadium

Notes

I saw stadium on a 'most wanted' list, so I started a stub. It's going to need a lot of work. Bluelion 08:19 Feb 20, 2003 (UTC)

The second sentence is a non sequitur following the first, but I'm not really sure how to correct it without removing both of them. RickK 02:23 24 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Am looking at writing a small page on pitch care....laying the turf, looking after the grass etc. Anyone interested in joining in...or know other pages which cover this?

I hope to draw on the type of information shown here

• Soccer pitch construction This web page has a slide show which shows , quite graphically, some of the issues involved. However there is much more than is displayed here and hopefully we can end up with a good wiki article.

Collieman 20:33, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I have written a small page about Turf management. It includes a section on soccer pitches and would appreciate any feed back. IndianSunset 16:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Photos

I have added several photos of different types of Stadiums. All of the photos I have included have been of particually large or impressive stadium. Please go ahead and add more. As there are so many variations on stadiums too many pics isnt enough. Ronan.evans 12:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Skydome

Is the Skydome (Rogers), a retractable-domed, astroturfed stadium really a "typical example" of a baseball stadium? Troymccluresf 21:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)Troymccluresf

I'll edit that out and call it something like a ultra modern stadium. Ronan.evans 09:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Units

Has anyone else heard of "stadia" being used as a unit of length? For example the Geography by Strabo he often describes distance in this manner, probably the same way people nowadays use "football fields" from what I can tell.

Does anyone else agree that this page seems to be too US orientated?

Also a little part on music played at stadiums?

Re units, you're inferring the etymology in the wrong direction. It is not analogous to modern use of "football fields" for distance. The unit of measure is the original word. The word later came to refer to a race track which was one stadium long. It then came to refer to the circular track with spectators where a stadium race was held, and then from that came to be any sporting arena. Iglew (talk) 06:39, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Stadiums in America

Is this article firstly about stadiums in America? Drogo 20:25, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

No its ment to be about around the world(Gnevin 23:45, 9 January 2007 (UTC))

Hence the picture of a Sydney stadium. Wahkeenah 00:11, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Stadium vs. Stadia

I have sometimes seen "stadia" in print, more often "stadiums", and I've never heard anyone say "stadia" out loud. It's always "stadiums". But I'm only listening to sports shows, and what do they know about this subject? So I did a quick search on Google for the words "stadiums" and "stadia", and it's about a 3.5 to 1 ratio. Oh, and by the way, wiktionary gives "stadiums" as the preferred. And I didn't write that entry. Wahkeenah 00:35, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Stadia would be in common enough spoken usage in Ireland but not the preferred the article is fine as is (Gnevin 00:37, 29 January 2007 (UTC))

Unfortunately, Stephen MUFC (talk · contribs) has unilaterally decided to change "stadiums" to "stadia" without discussion or concensus. →Wordbuilder (talk) 22:22, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't want to start an edit war by changing it back, but it's worth noting that the dictionary.com page cited by footnote does NOT support the contention that both plurals are accepted. It only shows that each plural is used for at least one of the definitions listed. "Stadia" is the preferred plural for the unit of distance (and probably for the bug one, too, but I'm not familiar with that usage), and that's why it's listed above. It does not follow that it is an accepted plural for the sports arena definition. In fact, using "stadia" in that context is a modern affectation. Iglew (talk) 06:36, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Using "stadia" sounds rather contrived to me and appears to be at odds with how we actually name articles and lists, so I've changed the usage to "stadiums". Dictionary.com does not list "stadia" first, and trying to claim that "stadium" is still a Latin word will obviously not hold up to scrutiny. If anyone wants to insist on this, I would really like to see some support for the notion. Anglicized plural forms of Latin loan words are common enough to to require us to use the original, "correct" plural forms.

Peter ^Isotalo 10:24, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Concur. - BilCat (talk) 15:39, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Stephen MUFC (talk · contribs) undid the changes made by Peter Isotalo (talk · contribs). I restored it to the latest version by Peter Isotalo. Hopefully Stephen MUFC will take part in the discussion rather than edit warring. →Wordbuilder (talk) 17:42, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

The entry for "stadium" Oxford English Dictionary appears to consider "stadiums" to be the common plural for the arena definition.

Peter ^Isotalo 11:57, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I noticed that "stadia" seems to be occuring in the various World Cup articles. See for example 1994 World Cup (has both spellings), 1998 World Cup and 2002 World Cup. I'm assuming there are a lot more examples in other sports and stadium articles. Is this a matter of WP:ENGVAR or is it just a matter of some users preferring the "correct" Latin plural form over what seems (at least to me) to be the generally more common plural form? Is there any reason to use "stadia" in any articles on sports whatsoever?

Peter ^Isotalo 11:44, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the subject is technical enough to make it important to adhere to the correct Latin usage. It is a matter of WP:ENGVAR and, as such, should follow this guideline:

"When an article has evolved sufficiently for it to be clear which variety it employs, the whole article should continue to conform to that variety, unless there are reasons for changing it based on strong national ties to the topic. When an article has not yet evolved to that point, the variety chosen by the first major contributor should be adopted. Where an article that is not a stub shows no signs of which variety it is written in, the first person to make an edit that disambiguates the variety is equivalent to the first major contributor."

The first major contribution uses "stadiums" for the plural. Unless there is compelling reason to change it, "stadiums" should continue to be used as the plural form of the word in this article. →Wordbuilder (talk) 16:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

If its a matter of WP:ENGVAR, where would "stadia" be more common than "stadiums"?

Peter ^Isotalo 06:16, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm unsure where "stadia" is preferred to "stadiums", if anywhere. But, if that is the case, articles with strong national ties to that country should use "stadia" as the plural. Whichever is chosen, it should be used consistently throughout the article. →Wordbuilder (talk) 14:53, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm familiar with how WP:ENGVAR works and I agree that this is how it should be determined wherever it might be applicable. However, going by some sample googlings and some of the major dictionaries, I get the feeling that "stadiums" is actually the most common plural form in both American and British English. At least I've not been able to find any references to either plural form as particular to any national or regional English.

Peter ^Isotalo 20:01, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

The Wiktionary also makes clear that stadia is used in 'high-register contexts' as it is in most official documents, as such it would be simply inaccurate to use the corrupted plural 'stadiums', thus I have edited the page accordingly though I accept that some may disagree and that a revert may take effect. Grand High Most Ultimate Supreme Hochmeister of Wikipedia, the Universe and all parallel Universes (including Ireland and Wales) (talk) 16:51, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

For example http://legacy.london.gov.uk/view_press_release.jsp?releaseid=24505. Grand High Most Ultimate Supreme Hochmeister of Wikipedia, the Universe and all parallel Universes (including Ireland and Wales) (talk) 17:15, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

1) Wikitonary is not a reliable source, 2) borrowing language plural applies, 3) the clear consensus of editors is for stadiums and 4) British Government documents do not decide what plurals are on wikipedia. Please also be aware of WP:3RR. Snappy (talk) 18:27, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Stadiums is indeed more commonly used colloquially, but this is clearly a corruption that should not be continued. I give up, I've been trying to improve Wikipedia for five years but the nonsense of some can still prove a burden. Grand High Most Ultimate Supreme Hochmeister of Wikipedia, the Universe and all parallel Universes (including Ireland and Wales) (talk) 18:35, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

If you admit that Stadiums is indeed more commonly used then per common usage, that should be reflected in the article. It is not a corruption, its a reflection of the living changing language. P.S. I'd suggest you contact Jimbo Wales about your struggle against "nonsense". Snappy (talk) 18:55, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Hillborough/Heysel

"Poor stadium design has contributed to disasters such as the Hillsborough disaster and the Heysel Stadium disaster."

That hardly tells the whole story. Perhaps this needs to be clarified.--Hack 03:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Let owners pay to build

Could something be said about the way taxpayers are "forced" to pay for building stadiums for rich owners & players? "If Steinbrenner and the owners of the Mets want new ballparks, they shouldn't pay for half, or whatever they are going to pay under the voodoo economics of these plans. They should do exactly what Peter Magowan did in San Francisco when he wanted to build Pac Bell Park: They should go to the bank and find a way to pay for all of it themselves." http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/2001/12/07/2001-12-07_let_them_pay__let_them_pay__.html Stars4change (talk) 16:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Bleachers

In the US, the term "bleachers" currently refers only to bench type seats, usually the lowest priced seats. No one would use the term to refer to chair back seats, or to seating in general (unless the only seating is bleachers).Wschart (talk) 21:15, 12 May 2011 (UTC)